Im Ready, UNION AT FLEX

[Flex605]

Guys and gals it is time to rise to the occasion . Let's get ken and RH packing . Secure your benefits pay and work conditions for your families . Vote in the union now don't wait another day . Don't get fired and have no recourse. I told my wife long time ago that I would stand for the truth or get fired . Are you hearing me y'all . Hear me y'all . Don't be deceived anymore . Let's send RH packing .

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

RH days are numbered. He has been set up to take the fall.

26th of 48 laws of power

Keep your hands clean

You must seem a paragon of civility and efficiency, your hands are never soiled by mistakes and nasty deeds. Maintain such a spotless appearance by using others as scapegoats and cat?s-paws to disguise your involvement.

 

[jetwash]

Now if they could only fix the sewage problem when they get a heavy rain.

Without the smell of sewage people would mistake Cleveland for Detroit.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Pink slips go out at the Waterview. In his generosity, you can have a job in CGF, but the relocation allowance won't even cover the cost of a U Haul. The only thing that protects me from this kind of abuse is my CBA. The protections are well worth the consesssions I gave up on pay. The next amendment to our contract will have to made that right.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Pink slips go out at the Waterview. In his generosity, you can have a job in CGF, but the relocation allowance won't even cover the cost of a U Haul. The only thing that protects me from this kind of abuse is my CBA. The protections are well worth the consesssions I gave up on pay. The next amendment to our contract will have to made that right.

Honestly I see SLI as the only potential dividing line in this process. We will have to be aware Kenn and his crew will target FUD on that issue and remind each other that's all it is FUD.

As for your post, I believe we are all united in the resolve to go forward getting the best of what Options has coupled with the payscale Flex has.

Keep in mind at Flex we haven't seen a raise in 5 years so even for us it will have to be better than protecting what we currently have. I think Options guys have a chance to make out like bandits and Flex guys get the priceless benefits of a CBA. Win-Win. Let's keep our eyes on unity.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Win-Win. Flex pay+ Options work rules= a good starting point for the next contract. As for SLI, no one can predict what will happen. Prior to that, the ones that will temporarily benefit, are the ones going for the immediate short-term personal gains.

 

[dime line]

Win-Win. Flex pay+ Options work rules= a good starting point for the next contract. As for SLI, no one can predict what will happen. Prior to that, the ones that will temporarily benefit, are the ones going for the immediate short-term personal gains.

Flex pay is 5years old

 

[993_Pilot]

Flex pay is 5years old

... and Flops pay was five years old the day the CBA was ratified. A CBA with Flex base pay plus 5 years of COLA would be a bare minimum to settle for, so it should start much higher in bargaining. Luckily Netjets will probably once again set the benchmark before we ever get to section 27.

 

[doh]

And F eight day rotations. Flex schedule. If you want to do eights, you volunteer for that torture. If we do end up with 8/7, at least make a vacation week equal a rotation. It's total BS to have an on call obligation in the middle of your time off.

 

[dime line]

And F eight day rotations. Flex schedule. If you want to do eights, you volunteer for that torture. If we do end up with 8/7, at least make a vacation week equal a rotation. It's total BS to have an on call obligation in the middle of your time off.

Get use to the 8/7. As far as vacation it is a rotation week, and my contract says I'm not on call, when I'm off duty, vacation and during 7 days off. So I'm not sure where you heard that. Maybe the Red Label thing.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Why should we "get use" to 8/7? I don't see how that could ever be forced on us

Should we also get use to options pay? I hate these empty threats/promises that voting in a union means we will work under the options CBS rules.

 

[jetwash]

Why should we "get use" to 8/7? I don't see how that could ever be forced on us

Should we also get use to options pay? I hate these empty threats/promises that voting in a union means we will work under the options CBS rules.

There is no reason why the current flex schedule can't be the schedule for the joint CBAwith a 7on/7off option for those who want it. The 8/7 has got to go or be a volenteer only schedule.

That is why Flex pilots will be on the joint negotiation committee.

To get a schedule like that you will need to have strong support and unity from all of the Flexpilots. Just ask the Netjets pilots how they showed their unity.

 

[dime line]

That is why Flex pilots will be on the joint negotiation committee.

We welcome you to everything joint, the only person here trying to screw you is Ricci not us, were just pilots like you.

 

[doh]

Get use to the 8/7. As far as vacation it is a rotation week, and my contract says I'm not on call, when I'm off duty, vacation and during 7 days off. So I'm not sure where you heard that. Maybe the Red Label thing.

So after ten years you get four 8 day rotations free from duty? Four times a year you get 22 days in a row off? Because I actually did hear that was not the case.

 

[jetwash]

So after ten years you get four 8 day rotations free from duty? Four times a year you get 22 days in a row off? Because I actually did hear that was not the case.

You get two 8 day rotations off per year ( each 22 days off in a row) if you have more PTO time in your bank you can get a third 8 day rotation off for another 22 days free from work.

OR

you can bid for two 8 day rotations off in a row to give you 37 days free from work. I know of a few guys who have done that.

 

[993_Pilot]

Why should we "get use" to 8/7? I don't see how that could ever be forced on us

Should we also get use to options pay? I hate these empty threats/promises that voting in a union means we will work under the options CBS rules.

I think that what he meant by that, was that KR came up with the 8/7 and likes it, so if you don't vote for the union, then you will probably have an 8/7 forced upon you at some point. If you vote for the union, and we are collectively unified, we can get whatever we negotiate. The negotiating committee will definitely be made up pilots from both groups, so vote for the union, then volunteer... It is the only way you will have a say in anything!

 

[doh]

You get two 8 day rotations off per year ( each 22 days off in a row) if you have more PTO time in your bank you can get a third 8 day rotation off for another 22 days free from work.

OR

you can bid for two 8 day rotations off in a row to give you 37 days free from work. I know of a few guys who have done that.

Whereas we currently get 4 vacations a year. They are of a shorter duration (13 days), but we aren't stuck being gone 8 days in a row either. If management insist on 8 day rotations, then a vacation week should equal a rotation week. And that means 4 rotations free from duty per year.

 

[slowtation capt]

Whereas we currently get 4 vacations a year. They are of a shorter duration (13 days), but we aren't stuck being gone 8 days in a row either. If management insist on 8 day rotations, then a vacation week should equal a rotation week. And that means 4 rotations free from duty per year.

And that's what he said,
a vacation is your entire rotation.
So you take vacation,
you have your 8 days off

 

[doh]

And that's what he said,
a vacation is your entire rotation.
So you take vacation,
you have your 8 days off

What he said was you get TWO vacations per year. That is the unacceptable result of eight day rotations without a clause that equates a vacation week with a rotation week. Once again, if management insist on these outrageously long rotations, vacation should be equally long. AND, ten years equals four vacation weeks. You guys have allowed management to convince you to give up all work life balance in favor of this ridiculous work schedule. That must change.

 

[jetwash]

AND, ten years equals four vacation weeks. You guys have allowed management to convince you to give up all work life balance in favor of this ridiculous work schedule. That must change.

That is why in the next JCBA we should have mutiple schedules, keep the current Flex one as a base and offer a voluntary 7/7 schedule to whoever wants it.

If you show strong support for a union and get over 75% yes vote on your side you will be in a better position to keep your schedule. If you only get 51% then you go into negotiations weaker. If we don't vote in the union then all bets are off and KR can put us on what ever schedule he wants even the Travel management one of 15/13 if he choses.

In the end it is up to us to show him that we have enough support to dig in our heels and reject any future contract that doesn't include a good varity of schedules.