Another falsehood. NWA was far from weak prior to the merger. They were actually in a very good position, and are now in an even stronger position. Comair is also far from weak, although Delta has done a good job of weakening our bargaining position at the FFD carriers by spreading the flying around. That is one area in which we need to improve as a union, and we're working on it. Yes, UAL is weak, but that's not a result of a pilot contract signed in 1985. The idea that you would even try to link the two is just mind boggling. The reason UAL is weak is because of weak management. Mr. Tilton is all but useless. His only strategy is to beg someone to merge with UAL, and there seems to be only one carrier even slightly interested, and they don't exactly seem thrilled at the idea. This is a business plan?
You need to stop blaming unions for bad management.
I am not blaming unions, i am blaming certain union tactics and union certain mindsets.
This is your idea of debate? A classic "I'm rubber, you're glue" strategy. Well played.
Here's how it works: you made an assertion, so you have the burden of proof. Prove that there are legacy rampers making more than junior legacy pilots.
Please go look at any IAM contract then look at FO pay.
The bargaining process is useless without leverage, and the only leverage we have is the threat of self-help. Companies only bargain because of coercion, not because they want to pay you more and give you a better quality of life out of the goodness of their hearts.
Of course not. As I said, this is a strategy that has been employed previously and it has been successful. But again, you're missing the whole point of the strategy: the threat of a job action. The AWA MEC's labor coalition is not a strategy in and of itself, it is a complement to a broader strategy that includes, as the key element, the threat of self-help. You want to remove the key element, which renders the whole thing useless.
Srtikes are not one size fits all. I believe in Spirit's case it would be a mistake
Don't embarrass yourself. Trying to resort to this sort of thing is proof positive that you're losing the debate. It's obvious to everyone here.
I may lose the debate but my character reamins in tact. In one of my first posts I said you rabib ALPA cheerleaders would attack me. Well you did not disappoint. You guys have resorted to name calling and violations of our code of ethcis in your efforts to personally diminsh Yip, Mamma and I, not to mention so many others in previous threads.. So you win the debate but you have lost a lot of self respect.
Rez has been a friend of mine for a while, and your characterization is completely inaccurate.
Well that explains alot. I can only judge him by the character of his posts from false accusations, trying to disparage the relief efforts in Haiti, to outright lying, and selective amnesia. He paints himself as a pretty reprehensible character. Just moments ago he said he had the right to post whatever he wanted about fellow ALPA pilots because this wasn't a job site. I suggest if he is your friend to have a talk with him. Don't play Harry to his Lloyd
You can't even place blame where it belongs, probably because you would have to share in it. The pilots flying the RJs are not to blame for your job being outsourced, AC; YOU and your fellow mainline pilots are responsible.
Scope is a permissive subject of bargaining, meaning your pilot group had no obligation to even talk to management about scope concessions, yet you chose to do so in order to buy other improvements. Don't blame the guys flying the RJs for your mistakes.
Hey another Rez. Who made you take an FO job for $19.00 an hour? Didn't think of the consequences did you? as long as you were getting what you wanted out of it. You mortgaged your future in this industry and kept guys on furlough for turbine time. We gave concessions to save some of our jobs becuase like Rez said, there was a ready and willing number of guys like you, willing to come along and undercut us. So spare me the crocodile tears about how mean AirTran is to you, because now you are in the postion I was in ten years ago. Sucks to be you doesn't it.
I was doing ALPA work long before I came to AirTran. What ALPA work have you done? What experience in this type of work can you point to in order to lend credibility to your positions? None? Thought so.
What can you point to? Dragging down the industry in partnership with management. Turning a great profession into a whiny bunch of high gel wearing glorified bus drivers or was it remaining silent while your friends make accusations against ALPA pilots. I would have perferred you do nothing.
