IBT 1108 Executive Board Announcement

[FR8DOG777]

Of course they want your money. None of us are that naive. Will you please just for one nano second step back and examine this picture from the outside? If you guys destroy our chances at a victory in the next contract you win a small battle and Kenny wins the war. We combine our efforts and fight like he'll and Kenny has no alternative but to pay us and progress the business model. I don't hate options, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT PROVIDING A SUPERIOR SERVICE WITH SAFETY AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST. You guys are being played

 

[el raton]

Of course they want your money. None of us are that naive. Will you please just for one nano second step back and examine this picture from the outside? If you guys destroy our chances at a victory in the next contract you win a small battle and Kenny wins the war. We combine our efforts and fight like he'll and Kenny has no alternative but to pay us and progress the business model. I don't hate options, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT PROVIDING A SUPERIOR SERVICE WITH SAFETY AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST. You guys are being played

Consider that "chance" destroyed. I find that few flex pilots are interested in the teamsters. Your best chance is to continue your propaganda campaign and focus on the first officers. Most, not all, but most of the captains are dead set against the teamsters.

You might as well start thinking about life without representation.

 

[slowtation capt]

Grasping at straws to try to show that our management team plays favorites.

Everyone's agreement was the same.

That part is in there so that we still get a vote after the agreement has been modified by a vote. If it said identical than it would be open to interpretation.

Guys, the IBT is going over this document word for word to give these union pushers anything to cause us to doubt our management team. They want us not to trust management, but instead trust them.

The IBT doesn't want to help us. They want you paying dues to them. Some of their pilots (as they have posted on FI) want to use this to take our jobs.

Don't let their manipulative mind games get to you.

They don't care about us. They are lying.

They want our money.

Keep spreading your FUD

 

[doh]

So FO can't update their FOM without union approval?

Things do change from time to time.

Are you saying FJ shouldn't be allowed to open additional domiciles if they choose?

Don't be a tool.

 

[doh]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dime line
(4) Additional Employment Conditions. During the Employment Period, You will be(expected to abide by all Company policies, procedures, operations manuals, employee handbooks and guidelines that are subject to change without notification from time to time as directed by the Company officials. In addition ..........................

So this is a contract that sounds very fluid

Page 7, Para 4

So FO can't update their FOM without union approval?

Things do change from time to time.

Are you saying FJ shouldn't be allowed to open additional domiciles if they choose?

If that is the only thing in all of those publications that they can change unilaterally, then I retract my tool statement...otherwise it stands.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Keep spreading your FUD

Translation - I can't argue, you are telling the truth

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Of course they want your money. None of us are that naive. Will you please just for one nano second step back and examine this picture from the outside? If you guys destroy our chances at a victory in the next contract you win a small battle and Kenny wins the war. We combine our efforts and fight like he'll and Kenny has no alternative but to pay us and progress the business model. I don't hate options, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT PROVIDING A SUPERIOR SERVICE WITH SAFETY AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST. You guys are being played

We are doing nothing to destroy YOUR chances with YOUR next contract.

We just want no part of it.

 

[jetwash]

Twa 2 ASA FO

In case you missed it, can you answer my question.

Can you give some examples over the last few years where management made a decision and you all got together and voted to change it.
How is this done?

Did you have a vote before your sick days were taken away or is it still being discussed and when will the vote take place?

 

[V1 Rotate]

Twa 2 ASA FO

In case you missed it, can you answer my question.

The option for us to vote just came in to play recently. There have been no issues to vote on yet.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

The option for us to vote just came in to play recently. There have been no issues to vote on yet.

What he said.

This is something new to us that was given in the employment agreements.

 

[jetwash]

What he said.

This is something new to us that was given in the employment agreements.

So you got no vote in the sick days decision?

Funny how that happened just before you got your " contract". I am sure Kenn had nothing to do with that.

 

[FR8DOG777]

We are doing nothing to destroy YOUR chances with YOUR next contract.

We just want no part of it.

That's some funny shut right there buddy. Believe you me, you and I could have gone a whole lifetime without knowing each other and I would be the first bowing down at sweet Jesus' feet had that been the case. I believe in the Lord and I believe in karma and I'm sure your just reward is awaiting with the adulterer Lord Kenny. God bless!

 

[Club ORD FO]

So you got no vote in the sick days decision?

Funny how that happened just before you got your " contract". I am sure Kenn had nothing to do with that.

He can change our sick day policy again right now and there would be no vote. The vote thing only apples to a handful of items. I know schedules and per diem were in there, I forget the other 2 or 3. Stuff like pay and benefits is not eligible for employee approval.

Come to think of it, I think we had the employee contract shortly after the sale, which would have been before the new sick/PTO policy. So yeah, no vote for the change in PTO/sick days.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Originally Posted by FR8DOG777
Really dude? This is your contribution to the hard working fractional profession? I have no beef with you. Guess what? My personal income from a private business exceeded my income of your great uncle Kenny in 2009! So basically your telling me I got mine go get yours? Am I correct in that statement? Guess what? WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, LIKE IT OR NOT! I am on your side along with every God Damn hard working pilot in this fractional so called profession. Wake the ******************** up

That's some funny shut right there buddy. Believe you me, you and I could have gone a whole lifetime without knowing each other and I would be the first bowing down at sweet Jesus' feet had that been the case. I believe in the Lord and I believe in karma and I'm sure your just reward is awaiting with the adulterer Lord Kenny. God bless!

So, in one post you take God's name in vain and tell someone to shut the **** up. Then, on another thread within minutes, your bipolar condition kicks in and now you're bowing at Jesus' feet. You, sir, are priceless. Please, please, please tell me more about how crazy Kenn is and more about the 1108.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Your beyond help v1. Kill our union and our profession. I really could care less anymore. Look at the facts and educate yourself.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Find a flight options pilot on the road and have him play the video of Kenny in a company meeting from our website. You can see the same body language in his lies when he talks about what happened in 2006. It was problems being tied to a manufacturer, not defaulting on a 71 million dollar debt to Raytheon and being physically removed from the property. Wake up dude, you are being played

 

[CL300Pilot]

FR8,

The only way that the Flex guys destroy your union as you claim is if you guys, FO or IBT, petition the NMB. I personally don't want a union and no I am not so naive that I am unable to see both sides. The fact of the matter is, if FO or the IBT push for single carrier, which is what KR wants, then you guys are responsible for destroying your union. We here at Flex did not ask for this nor did we want this. Unfortunately, it is what it is.

Our management is constantly telling us that we are in charge of our future when it comes down to unionizing or not. While yes, that may be true, you guys actually hold all of the cards as to whether or not there will be a union. I think you all by now realize that most here at Flex do not want it. Therefore, if you petition the NMB, that is on you guys, not us.

Let me hit you with this question. As the slide stated, no petition to the NMB, no single carrier, not change in how things run. So why not keep it all separate, don't petition the NMB and always have your side with the union keeping things in check?

Of course they want your money. None of us are that naive. Will you please just for one nano second step back and examine this picture from the outside? If you guys destroy our chances at a victory in the next contract you win a small battle and Kenny wins the war. We combine our efforts and fight like he'll and Kenny has no alternative but to pay us and progress the business model. I don't hate options, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT PROVIDING A SUPERIOR SERVICE WITH SAFETY AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST. You guys are being played

 

[ProFracPilot]

Let me hit you with this question. As the slide stated, no petition to the NMB, no single carrier, not change in how things run. So why not keep it all separate, don't petition the NMB and always have your side with the union keeping things in check?

I know you weren't addressing me, but I'll take a stab at answering this question.

The answer is in Section 1 of our CBA. The scope clause requires that there be a ruling on single-carrier status.

Look, by offering the 300's through the Flight Options store front, and having those aircraft be flown by the FlexJet store front, it is obvious that DAC is attempting to dismantle the Flight Options store front (and the commensurate flying by FO pilots). If this isn't a direct attack on the scope clause, I don't know what is.

And it is real. I can't tell you the number of owners that have told me they've been approached and are moving into that aircraft come fall. Good for them. Seriously. The 300 is a great airplane. And good for Flex.

But, not so good for us. That is until and unless I see DAC make moves to build the FO storefront. There are no signs of that. Hell, they're not even communicating with the pilots. So I have no idea what their fleet plans may be. Perhaps you can shed some light on the matter given the wonderful communications you have with the management structure.

We will not remain separate, even if both pilot groups wanted to. Kenn doesn't want it (has stated so several times publicly), and OUR contract requires that there at least be a ruling by the NMB on the matter.

See, you all have your employment contract(s). But we have ours, too. Both must be respected and defended.

But if you watch how our contract is being attacked, you will gain some insight as to how Kenn goes about his business. No one is immune. Trust me. I have more insight to this than you could possibly imagine.

 

[Club ORD FO]

We will not remain separate, even if both pilot groups wanted to. Kenn doesn't want it (has stated so several times publicly), and OUR contract requires that there at least be a ruling by the NMB on the matter.

Well we're being told differently. If we vote out the union we are being told there will be an option to stay separate. Nobody has guaranteed that, but they are saying it is "possible if that's what you want." KR has definitely not said to us that he wants one pilot group. That would have been noticed for sure.

 

[wingsnthings]

Well we're being told differently. If we vote out the union we are being told there will be an option to stay separate. Nobody has guaranteed that, but they are saying it is "possible if that's what you want." KR has definitely not said to us that he wants one pilot group. That would have been noticed for sure.

I think the only way we stay seperate is if the NMB isn't petitioned. If we are deemed single carrier by the NMB, that's the only way a union vote would occur.

No NMB=the only way we stay seperate

NMB single carrier ruling=union vote then seniority list integration. To add to this, there is no way one group would be represented and the other group not represented for a seniority list. It would be all IBT or all not IBT depending on the vote.