IBT 1108 Executive Board Announcement

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

That was a big problem at Flight Options before the contract.

When the contract came in we had many pilots get a 40 or 45% pay increase over the life of the contract. Mainly due to Kenns little game with pay rates. That is just one of the things that we are trying to inform you about.

When we hear criticism about our contract and pay rate we realize that you did not really understand what it was really like before the CBA. This "lousy" CBA gave many pilots a huge pay increase and we expect a lot more in the next one.

Wait, your pay was worse before this CBA?

I am sure you expect more in your next contract, and I sure as heck hope you get it.

You guys are worth more than the contract the IBT sold you on.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

38% increase was a big jump for us!

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

And does it not say you are an at will employee?

Yes it does.

More pilots were fired when I had a job under a CBA than here at FJ.

Are you saying that no pilots get fired at FO? You can show up to work and fly in your birthday suit and not get fired? No, wait you guys can get fired just like us. You just have a union that will do like every other union and pick and choose who's job they feel like fighting for.

 

[dime line]

And does it not say you are an at will employee?

(b) If the Employment Period is terminated by either Party for any reason other than a termination by the Company without Cause, then You will be entitled to receive only (i) ..............

Page 7, Para B

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

38% increase was a big jump for us!

Seriously, your pay went up 38% and that got you to where you are now?

Wow

 

[jetwash]

Seriously, your pay went up 38% and that got you to where you are now?

Wow

Some close to 45% pay increase over the 5 years.

So in 2009 at the height of the great recession getting a CBA with a 45% pay increase was acceptable from where we started.

To match the Flex pay it would have had to have been closer to 80% and Kenn was not going to go for that.

In the second contract we are aiming for a lot more unless Kenn is put back in the drivers seat and plays his games with all of our pays ( your included )

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Thanks SC.

You have all signed your very own, individual, employment agreement. They appear to be "substantially identical", but perhaps no two are alike.

Ok.

The folks defending this agreement seem to believe it is a legal and binding contract. And I would probably agree with you.

However, I think it is also safe to assume that if you find the other party to the agreement has failed to uphold any part of the agreement, you are on your own to defend it. There's absolutely nothing collective about it, nor does it have the protections, that a collective agreement has.

Just so long as everyone understands this extremely important difference for the sake of the ongoing debate.

Carry on.

Grasping at straws to try to show that our management team plays favorites.

Everyone's agreement was the same.

That part is in there so that we still get a vote after the agreement has been modified by a vote. If it said identical than it would be open to interpretation.

Guys, the IBT is going over this document word for word to give these union pushers anything to cause us to doubt our management team. They want us not to trust management, but instead trust them.

The IBT doesn't want to help us. They want you paying dues to them. Some of their pilots (as they have posted on FI) want to use this to take our jobs.

Don't let their manipulative mind games get to you.

They don't care about us. They are lying.

They want our money.

 

[dime line]

(4) Additional Employment Conditions. During the Employment Period, You will be(expected to abide by all Company policies, procedures, operations manuals, employee handbooks and guidelines that are subject to change without notification from time to time as directed by the Company officials. In addition ..........................

So this is a contract that sounds very fluid

Page 7, Para 4

 

[dime line]

Seriously, your pay went up 38% and that got you to where you are now?

Wow

Lets remember where your pay was when you got your raise after the Netjets contract

Wow

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

(4) Additional Employment Conditions. During the Employment Period, You will be(expected to abide by all Company policies, procedures, operations manuals, employee handbooks and guidelines that are subject to change without notification from time to time as directed by the Company officials. In addition ..........................

So this is a contract that sounds very fluid

Page 7, Para 4

So FO can't update their FOM without union approval?

Things do change from time to time.

Are you saying FJ shouldn't be allowed to open additional domiciles if they choose?