Hypocrisy at its finest

[fletch717]

Vabb, you may fly a big plane and make more than I do, But I don't really care. I guess our individual ideas of success are based on the starting point. I can only guess that I grew up with less than you, so my perception of success is the sacrafice I had to endure to reach my goals. I am profoundly greatful for all that I have achieved. Maybe that is the difference between you and I.

 

[VABB]

Vabb, Someone once said "you should never miss an opportunity to keep your mouth shut"

For july I flew 78.02 hours got paid 102.83hours 15 days off + 515.25 per diem

our contract has many pay overrides like a major, the average line for july was 85 hours of credit which is much more than a major. instead of flying 30 hours and getting 75 hours of pay. we fly more therefore our credit is much more.

If you knew more about our contract you would be able to understand how this works.

Here's an example 1 leg to dca block 1:44 dept 2020 arr 2204 RON
1 leg to atl block 1:51 dept 1405 arr 1546

block 3:05 pay 8:00

I have a bid sort program, I have it set up for 3day trips but I want max time when I work so I set my parameters for 6+ hours a day of credit . I usually get one 4day on my line which brings my credit up.

This is all very nice, really. But just for the record, I don't really care what you make or how you make it.

I personally would not go through this much trouble to prove to anybody how much I make. If I chose to tell them, and they chose to think otherwise so be it. I know how much I make and it really doesen't matter what anyone else thinks.

I have never typed how much I make on this board, let alone given a breakdown about how I did it. What each one makes is his/her own business.

I get tired of people saying "I made this much", or "I make this much and have this much time off". Good, who cares? Enjoy the money and the time off and quit trying to prove to everyone how much you make. (general statement to everyone, not pointed just at you)

I saw your claim of making $150,000.00 as a 6th year captain and having 14-17 days off per month. Great, I'm very proud of you. I go to a website, pull of some numbers and offer my opinion for nothing more than kicks and giggles.

Again, I wouldn't spend one of my days off giving myself a stroke trying to prove what I make to some clown on an internet message board who I don't even know.

 

[VABB]

Vabb, you may fly a big plane and make more than I do, But I don't really care. I guess our individual ideas of success are based on the starting point. I can only guess that I grew up with less than you, so my perception of success is the sacrafice I had to endure to reach my goals. I am profoundly greatful for all that I have achieved. Maybe that is the difference between you and I.

By bragging about your 14-17 days off and your $150,000.00/yr as a 6th year captain, your humbleness and humility shine through. That's part of the reason for me bringing up the numbers and my opinions.

Do you think that the difference between you and I is that you are greatful for all that you have achieved and I am not?

Maybe, maybe not. I'll say this much: unless I'm being sarcastic, I'm not as arrogant as you to make a statement such as that against someone I don't even know. But, maybe that is just one difference between me and you, arrogance.

Again, I keep my finances to myself and am quite humble about my achievemants. Just for the record, I have acheived a lot and I am greatful. Not saying that my achievements are any better or worse than yours, just that I am greatful for them and they are greater than I ever imagined them to be. Some have asked me to tell them who I work for. I could, but they will just deny it and say I'm lying. Fine, like I said before, I know how much I make and who I report for duty with, regardless of what some clowns on an anonymous message board think.

I honestly don't care what anyone thinks.

 

[fletch717]

Vabb, The reason for posting my info was to dispute the claim that we make poverty wages. Everyone knows what we all make, generally speaking.

The only reason I posted how it was done is because you said I was wrong.

As for your attempt at humility, you posted this on 7-26-05 on the thread titled AirTran : post #36 "Just for the record, my airplane is quite larger, as is my W-2 earnings. What I make as a fourth year FO is at least as much as your top Captain's pay." According to the latest posted salary information for all airlines, that's not really a true statement.

"I keep my finances to myself and am quite humble about my achievemants." Based on the above mentioned post, that's not really a true statement either. (Not to mention that maybe you should use the spell checker before posting, Mr. Humility.)

I have serious doubts, based on your posts, about your actual position in the aviation world. But when you go to your flying job again, please say hi to the tin man for me.

 

[-9Capt]

As for your attempt at humility, you posted this on 7-26-05 on the thread titled AirTran : post #36 "Just for the record, my airplane is quite larger, as is my W-2 earnings. What I make as a fourth year FO is at least as much as your top Captain's pay." .

I love how this thread has come full circle, Vabb now being the hypocrite.


Vaab, you sound like a little kid. Now that you're proven wrong you say "oh yeah, well I didn't really care in the first place".

 

[mdf]

I love how this thread has come full circle, Vabb now being the hypocrite.

The only thing I like about this thread is your avatar! You could bounce a quarter off that chick!

 

[matchthehatch]

VABB,

Might I suggest a visit to this http://www.ajnovickgroup.com/
web site?

 

[Geronimo4497]

Who's got the ruler?

This has turned into a measuring contest. "My plane is bigger than yours......"

YIKES

Why is it that people (some, not all) seem to get miserable the further along they get in their career? Why do I know guys that have left my outfit and wish they were back, making less money, but having more fun. I don't get it, but maybe I just realize that our time on this rock is VERY finite. Have some FUN, and stop being a tool (Yes, VABB, pointing at you)

-Pilatus Pusher

 

[VABB]

Vabb, The reason for posting my info was to dispute the claim that we make poverty wages. Everyone knows what we all make, generally speaking.

The only reason I posted how it was done is because you said I was wrong.

As for your attempt at humility, you posted this on 7-26-05 on the thread titled AirTran : post #36 "Just for the record, my airplane is quite larger, as is my W-2 earnings. What I make as a fourth year FO is at least as much as your top Captain's pay." According to the latest posted salary information for all airlines, that's not really a true statement.

"I keep my finances to myself and am quite humble about my achievemants." Based on the above mentioned post, that's not really a true statement either. (Not to mention that maybe you should use the spell checker before posting, Mr. Humility.)

I have serious doubts, based on your posts, about your actual position in the aviation world. But when you go to your flying job again, please say hi to the tin man for me.

Again, I don't really care what you believe/not believe.

Actually, I do keep my finances to my self, your statement is still false. If you noticed (which you obviously didn't), I didn't post any numbers.

Your last paragraph sums up a lot about your attitude and many on this board. Again, you have no idea who I am or where I fly, but you sure have your doubts about where my position in this industry is.

Even if I told you where I fly you would still come back with some child-like comment. "Oh no you don't, I can tell by the way act here that it isn't true." Say hi to the tin-man? Clmon dude, that sounds like something you would hear on the playground.

But getting back to my original thought. Read your first sentence again. If the whole world believes you are making poverty wages, is that going to be reflected in your paycheck? Really, why give yourself a heart attack trying to prove to everybody just how much you make, unless what people think about your wages really bothers you that much. If people don't believe how much I make, it really does not matter. What they want to think and what I really make are not the same. And I'm sure as heck not going to spend all of my free time trying to prove to someone on an anonymous message board exactly what I make and how I make it.

Just like your "tin man" comment. It does not matter where you think I fly or don't fly. I don't care. I still report for duty and fly my trips, regardless of what you think. Go ahead and have your doubts. If that's what makes you happy, I'm not going to stop you.

 

[VABB]

This has turned into a measuring contest. "My plane is bigger than yours......"

YIKES

Why is it that people (some, not all) seem to get miserable the further along they get in their career? Why do I know guys that have left my outfit and wish they were back, making less money, but having more fun. I don't get it, but maybe I just realize that our time on this rock is VERY finite. Have some FUN, and stop being a tool (Yes, VABB, pointing at you)

-Pilatus Pusher

Who says I'm unhappy? I happen to be very happy and content at my airline.

By the way, I am having fun. I have never seen a group of people (-9Capt, Fletch, etc) get so wrapped around the axle so easily over the dumbest things. For all you know, I could be in a crashpad somewhere with other pilots and we all have a lot of time on our hands.

 

[VABB]

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[737 Pylt]

I love how this thread has come full circle, Vabb now being the hypocrite.

The only thing I like about this thread is your avatar! You could bounce a quarter off that chick!

What he said!

MEOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
737

 

[MD-11 Pilot]

Guys:

VABB is actually an Airtran management guy....He hooked you guys on a silly and emotional argument on you guys feel for it. He will get a huge salary increase when he sits there with the Airtran negotiators and shows them how great your contract is according to your own posts!! Why do these guys need better work rules and more money when they are making $150g and work half the month???

I do not give a crap who you fly for or how big your airplane is! Just be careful what you say on a public forum...you never know who is reading it...

 

[fletch717]

Vabb, I chose to set the record straight on your comments. You tried to run the numbers to prove me wrong, I came back and proved you were wrong. If you notice, no one agrees with your views. You say you are a 4 year fo, I'll believe where work. what I won't believe is your statement that you make more than 12year Capt pay at AT because no airline in the US pays FO's that much per hr. (according to the lastest published numbers)

You will notice that everyone who comes on this board and makes the type of comments you make always hides behind their moniker. That is why you have no credibility here.

 

[VABB]

Vabb, I chose to set the record straight on your comments. You tried to run the numbers to prove me wrong, I came back and proved you were wrong. If you notice, no one agrees with your views. You say you are a 4 year fo, I'll believe where work. what I won't believe is your statement that you make more than 12year Capt pay at AT because no airline in the US pays FO's that much per hr. (according to the lastest published numbers)

You will notice that everyone who comes on this board and makes the type of comments you make always hides behind their moniker. That is why you have no credibility here.

Again, I don't really care who agrees or does not agree. The only thing that has been proven so far is that you cannot sleep well at night unless you are absolutely sure that everyone knows how much you guys make.

That is the difference between me and you. If someone does not believe how much I make it doesen't bother me, I am secure enough with that. You on the other hand are constantly out there defending your payscale everytime someone tries to tell you how much you make. It obviously bothers you, otherwise you wouldn't be doing that. It's very comical to watch.

And whom do I not have credibility with, you? Gee, I'm going to lose sleep over that one.

 

[fletch717]

It so much easier to bash people when you hide behind your moniker. I'm not ashamed of my company or my position,That's why my profile is filled in. I don't sweat guys like you one bit. Remember it was you that made the statement "My airplane is much larger than yours as is my w2 and I make more as a 4th year FO than a 12year capt at AirTran." That is the most juvenile, insecure statment I think I've ever read on this forum and I've been a member here for a while. Good luck with your 'big airplane" I hope you find those airport friendly shoes with the 2" lifts you need shorty.

 

[FL717]

Doesn't anyone around here have a JOB?

Who says I'm unhappy? I happen to be very happy and content at my airline.

By the way, I am having fun. I have never seen a group of people (-9Capt, Fletch, etc) get so wrapped around the axle so easily over the dumbest things. For all you know, I could be in a crashpad somewhere with other pilots and we all have a lot of time on our hands.

VABB:

In 10 posts on this thread alone you have spastically gone from talking about scabs...... to telling AirTran Pilots they are lowering the bar...... to arguing with someone you don't even know about his W-2 earnings..... to researching and posting a spreadsheet on someone elses pay...... to bragging about how happy you are at some Airline that remains anonymous....... all the while insisting you don't care about ANY of this.

This begs the question.... what the he!! is your POINT? You've rambled on for 10 posts over several days, and while you may or may not have a point (I certainly can't see it)........ you're acting like the forum idiot.

Just say that you hate AirTran and move on..... we all get it.... no hard feelings.

Go outside and ride your bicycle for crying out loud........ LOL!

 

[VABB]

VABB:

In 10 posts on this thread alone you have spastically gone from talking about scabs...... to telling AirTran Pilots they are lowering the bar...... to arguing with someone you don't even know about his W-2 earnings..... to researching and posting a spreadsheet on someone elses pay...... to bragging about how happy you are at some Airline that remains anonymous....... all the while insisting you don't care about ANY of this.

This begs the question.... what the he!! is your POINT? You've rambled on for 10 posts over several days, and while you may or may not have a point (I certainly can't see it)........ you're acting like the forum idiot.

Just say that you hate AirTran and move on..... we all get it.... no hard feelings.

Go outside and ride your bicycle for crying out loud........ LOL!

My point?

A good laugh. These guys were baited and they fell for it. Slow week on reserve.

 

[FL717]

My point?

A good laugh. These guys were baited and they fell for it. Slow week on reserve.

Fair enough.

A good point for all the kids out there that Reserve CAN be fun! LOL!

 

[fletch717]

Vabb, I did'nt think you sat around that much on reserve at Gulfstream. I sure you are one of those guys who sends out a computer virus because its fun. Hey I've got an idea why don't you call the grocery store and ask them if they have sir walter raliegh in a can. You're so cool

 

[VABB]

Vabb, I did'nt think you sat around that much on reserve at Gulfstream. I sure you are one of those guys who sends out a computer virus because its fun. Hey I've got an idea why don't you call the grocery store and ask them if they have sir walter raliegh in a can. You're so cool

That would be Prince Albert in a can.

 

[Geronimo4497]

That would be Prince Albert in a can.

You made me laugh, but you still suck ..........LOL

 

[AAflyer]

Fletch,

Remember...you don't work at a Legacy so you have no right to enjoy your job. Why don't you just wake up and smell the coffee. Just like me....I work with great people, fly neat planes to neat places, but heck...I'm just a freight dog, right? Maybe AA will re-open their app window in a few years and we can finally move on to a better operation. FWIW...I've helped a whole bunch of legacy guys get ready for interviews at jetBlue, Southwest, and FedEx, and I don't see any of them pining for "what might have been..."

AirTran will survive as long as the website is the easiest in the industry to book tickets on (it is in my opinion), it has the nicest business class and easiest upgrades (again...my opinion) and remembers to take care of its customers. My biggest complaint about them is they stopped service to VPS a while back and are too scaredy cat to come land the 717 on 6k runway at PFN!

FedEx has 3% non-union. That is certainly NOT the same thing as being a SCAB, but when I go to work I chose not to let what I cannot control bother me. I don't think Ty, Fletch, or any of the Airtran guys have a darn thing to do with who was on the property before they even got there.

And one more point--the LCC's didn't destroy the legacies. Fletch and Ty didn't wake up and along with other pilots at LCC decided to try to ruin your job--in fact they wanted the same thing. The legacies squandered years of goodwill by punishing their highest value customers with ridiculous walk up fares. The internet revolution of the 90s made fare info aviailable to everyone, and suddenly travel agents and ticket offices lost a lot of pricing power. The fact that companies like JetBlue and Airtran treated even the "backpack" customer with value is why they have inspired such a loyal following. The majors are trying to catch up, and IMHO doing much better now than even 3 years ago in customer service--but for some it may be too little, too late.

Wow Albie,

I have never seen you cut another airline down before. Kudos, it says a lot about you and your business.

AA

 

[AlbieF15]

AA,

I wasn't cutting anyone down, just pointing out that anyone in the business can stumble. I see and hear former AA, DAL, NW, UAL, and US Air guys either here at FDX or trying to get here. Instead of thinking "...good me for me, bad for them..." it instead reminds me to have a backup plan or a good parachute, because anything can happen. I don't for a minute think that somehow Fred Smith's genius makes me immune to career risks. Competition, labor battles, cabatoge, and eventually unmanned cargo drones can all wreck havoc on any of my best laid plans.

I also used AA as an example because I have had about a half dozen good friends there--2 were in my F15 squadron at Tyndall and both are long since furloughed. Another is a UPT classmate--furloughed. Another is an OV-10 guy who got on in 92/93 timeframe--he's safe but was furloughed back in the mid 90s cutback and went on active duty in his ANG unit for several years before being recalled. Another was an 88 hire--an old Auburn roomie. Last I heard he was an MD88 captain. His dad? Delta retiree. His brother--Piedmont/US Air... All 3 were typed on the 767 at one time and thought they had the world by the b@lls circa 1998. Well...one lost his job and dad may lose a portion of his retirement pension should Delta go Chpt 11. My roomie has already taken a 25% plus paycut as AA struggles to control costs and turn things around.

I wish no ill on AA or any of the other majors--I've got a lot of friends at each of them. My point to our flame-bait poster (which I suspect he is...) was simply that the industry has changed tremendously, and what once was a job considered secondary to the big majors (AA, UAL, DAL, NWA, and maybe CAL and US Air) is now in a lot of ways more lucrative and more secure. All this time--the LCCs have been profitable and haven't furloughed a single guy. Who would of thought in 2000 that going to Southwest (or even another small major like Alaska) was a better financial move? Which would you have said was the most secure? AA is famous here at FDX because more than a few guys left this company to go there in the 90s. Now things have turned around 180 degrees. Who can say it won't change again?

 

[E170Guppykiller]

Regardless of all the derogatory comments on this thread, I'd be in heaven to be able to make $140K a year someday.

 

[semperfido]

Regardless of all the derogatory comments on this thread, I'd be in heaven to be able to make $140K a year someday.

once you get there you will just want 200 -it's human nature

 

[E170Guppykiller]

200K would be even better!!!

 

[banned username 1]

Or put another way, "Everybody makes too much money- except me!"

 

[FN FAL]

Regardless of all the derogatory comments on this thread, I'd be in heaven to be able to make $140K a year someday.

Well just wait untill I'm 60 and then trick me out of my IRA and you'll be good for one year anyway.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm not sure how I could have missed this string for so long, given that it was originally about me . . . . I guess what I would say to the original poster is

"Got an issue? Have a @#%$^&* tissue".

This board has been around since at least 1996 in one form or another, and I have been here since then. During the upgrades, the old strings and profiles were lost, and have changed mine at various times, as have many others (you know who you are!). I have also contributed during at least the last two pledge drives, as have several hundred other people. This is probably an appropriate time to offer a big "thanks!" to Mark, the WebMeister, for giving us a place to get together to hang, schwing, shoot the #$&# and learn what we can about the industry . . . . Thank You, Mark.

Anyway . . . . not sure why the poser . . . err, poster, who started this whole thing felt compelled to launch this mess, but I think I can speak for the rest of my co-workers by saying that the AirTran pilots that I know do not think for an instant that we have the best deal going, nor do we think that we are the be-all end-all of aviation . . . . all we are saying is that we have come a long way, have a pretty decent gig going, and are continuing to work towards improving our contract for ourselves and our fellow pilots.

Anyway, if the original poster had any legitimacy, I would be happy to respond to specifics, but since he refuses to even state where he supposedly works, it seems that it would be a complete waste of time. It is very easy to hide in the shadows and hurl insults . . . if he ever wants to grow up and debate any specific issues, well, I'm here, as I have been, for a long time.

I would also like to take this opportunity to say to all of you who offered even a grudging support of my posts here- thanks for posting. When I post here, it is either to be entertaining, informative, humorous, or a combination of the three. I'm glad to know some of you appreciate it.

Best Regards,

TW