starchkr
New Bus driver
- Joined
- Nov 26, 2001
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Great stuff boys and girls...especially Pocono, first time i have actually been witness to his/her/it's posts. Remind me to NEVER fly on any airline that has E145's...i would hate to be depending on this person for my life.
A lot of us do not realize that during this incident, we not only have engines quitting and rivers to be hitting, but we have many distractions occuring in the cockpit as well. CRC's are blaring, ECAM's are dinging probably non-stop and pilots are trying to scramble for checklists that go WAY beyond the QRH or any short listed checklist in our immediate reach.
Someone mentioned that they were flaps two at touchdown because they may have taken off that way...maybe, but i believe by that time they would have reached at least flaps 1 (with acceleration altitude being 1000' AGL), and most likely they would have been up altogether (at 0 for us airbus guys) by an altitude of 3000'. Just a guess though. Also, as for not following the checklist exactly...well, i believe the checklist says to land flaps 3 in a ditching scenario...they landed 2, it seems to have worked just fine, and by all means the captain has every authority to land however he wants, he must just remember he will need to explain his reasoning later. I say flaps 2 was a good idea in this case, especially since they may have never reached any ditching checklists in the first place, so they did a fine job.
Someone also mentioned that 35% N1 "should" have been enough to extend their glide. Well...in short...NO. 35% N1 is nothing. In the air (according to Airbus) zero drag occurs around 40% N1 in a windmilling or operating engine, therefore anything below that is actually more drag than anything else. Other Airbus guys can confirm this...what setting does the bus put the engines at during a fully managed descent?...right around 40-44% N1 right...zero drag. So NO, 35% percent would have done absolutely nothing to extend any glide they may have had, in fact it may have shortened it by a fraction...but it still would have been enough to run the electrical system and the hydraulics.
11 oh no wait 29...yeah, another reason to not put my life in PP's hands.
A lot of us do not realize that during this incident, we not only have engines quitting and rivers to be hitting, but we have many distractions occuring in the cockpit as well. CRC's are blaring, ECAM's are dinging probably non-stop and pilots are trying to scramble for checklists that go WAY beyond the QRH or any short listed checklist in our immediate reach.
Someone mentioned that they were flaps two at touchdown because they may have taken off that way...maybe, but i believe by that time they would have reached at least flaps 1 (with acceleration altitude being 1000' AGL), and most likely they would have been up altogether (at 0 for us airbus guys) by an altitude of 3000'. Just a guess though. Also, as for not following the checklist exactly...well, i believe the checklist says to land flaps 3 in a ditching scenario...they landed 2, it seems to have worked just fine, and by all means the captain has every authority to land however he wants, he must just remember he will need to explain his reasoning later. I say flaps 2 was a good idea in this case, especially since they may have never reached any ditching checklists in the first place, so they did a fine job.
Someone also mentioned that 35% N1 "should" have been enough to extend their glide. Well...in short...NO. 35% N1 is nothing. In the air (according to Airbus) zero drag occurs around 40% N1 in a windmilling or operating engine, therefore anything below that is actually more drag than anything else. Other Airbus guys can confirm this...what setting does the bus put the engines at during a fully managed descent?...right around 40-44% N1 right...zero drag. So NO, 35% percent would have done absolutely nothing to extend any glide they may have had, in fact it may have shortened it by a fraction...but it still would have been enough to run the electrical system and the hydraulics.
11 oh no wait 29...yeah, another reason to not put my life in PP's hands.