How & When Will The Other Fractionals Respond to NJA TA?

[Patriot328]

Current UPS pay for year 2 is 73k. Not 120k....sorry, but NO ONE pays 120k a year at year 2..not even SWA...

2nd year MD-11FO at FedEx is 128/hr. If that doesn't work out to 120k/yr, it's close.

 

[bailey3083]

You can pretty much see what Flex will do by A.H. post on the bluebelly about the last CAB meeting. Minimal raise with a reduction of days worked so we end up taking a pay cut. The CAB wonders why the pilot group does not support it are they blind?

 

[doylehargraves]

You can pretty much see what Flex will do by A.H. post on the bluebelly about the last CAB meeting. Minimal raise with a reduction of days worked so we end up taking a pay cut. The CAB wonders why the pilot group does not support it are they blind?

That's exactly what happened to us last time. They showed us that we would be "able" to make "x" amount if we worked 17 days. The problem was, no one got to work the 17; therefore, it was not much of a raise.

One thing is for sure, if they don't at least get captain wages above the highest F/O wages at NJ, they are going to have a serious problem on their hands.

 

[kman]

its pretty nice for ups or fedex guys,

I still think 1108 guys did a great job.

But I also believe we are still under valued and underpaid for the amount of work we do.

This or higher is what we should be shooting for next time around.
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/ups.html
2nd yr fo 112hr x 81hr guar x 12months=108,864

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/fedex.html
2nd yr fo 108hr x74hr guar x 12months=95,904
widebody fo 132hr 2nd yr fo =117,216

yes I know easy to say hard to do

 

[SilverSurfer]

No Taker at Floptions

Latest from Floptions attempts to hire some new pilots.

Last month Floptions invited 40 pilots to come to CGF for interviews. Only 4 accepted the invitation and following the interview 2 of the 4 were offered a job. Both of these pilots were smart enough to decline the offered position. Now management is considering how low they are going to lower the minimums to be able to find pilots hungry enough to come to work at this train wreck. Members of management are making references to the regionals hiring pilots with time as low as 250 TT.

Maybe Sh!thead and Punjab will be opening up a flight school in conjunction with Floptions and have their new hires paying them to come and work here. Fits right into Sh!theads plans to reduce us to the bottom of the fractional/general aviation bucket. Sh!t in Sh!t out.

All I can say to any potential new hires is "Run Forest Run" and don't look back:laugh:

 

[Stinkbug]

I was just comparing the dollars and the fact that 7 days away is quite a bit for many as well as living in domicile at UPS- guess it came out wrong. Although I would guess the 121 guys (soon to be DAL, CAL, and AMR) would next time shoot for the UPS contract even though in different industries. Nope-Rome wasn't built in a day. No overt hostility intended.

Just about every NJ pilot can live in domicile (gateway) now that this thing has passed...and are you familiar with UPS schedules? they regularly fly 7-day trips, some are even longer. You're not making your case here...

 

[On Your Six]

What about CS??????

Any hint of change at Citationshares yet? Have they mentioned whether they would consider any changes to the pilots?

Clearly they have to be concerned about a potential exodus among junior pilots - like the other fracs. I would be frustrated as a CS pilot if silence or inaction continued...

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Any more info on FlexJet going to Home Basing?

cliff
YIP

 

[Frac Cap]

S S, I heard things were bad with the applicants not showing up for the interview, but I didn't know it was that bad.

With the attrition rate, and know one willing to accept 50 cents on the dollar for what NJ has to offer for starting pay with only 3 domiciles to choose from, HIG will have to do the equivalent of saying "my aircraft" before we are in such a nose dive that we can't pull up. I am hoping that comes soon, because we can't be working for half the pay of Net Jets and still expect to have a product that a highly educated multi millionaire would want to put his money and family into.

Just my 1 cent (can't afford 2).

 

[jetwash]

I also heard of the new hire fiasco at Flight opts.

I guess they did their job a little too good last year driving off pilots, now when they want to hire it is coming back to bite them on the a$$.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I guess they did their job a little too good last year driving off pilots, now when they want to hire it is coming back to bite them on the a$$.

That's karma for you.

To all of you pilots at FLOPS, I wish you the best for your futures. Hopefully HIG will realize that a motivated, respected work force is a crucial portion of the fractional business.

 

[HSDriver]

PIC workload to increase

If flops can't get who they want they will just keep lowering the minimums until they get warm bodies to fill the seats. Its not like new SIC's have to be ready to upgrade in a year or two. They would be looking at ten years to upgrade probably.

PIC's get ready to play flight instructor and double your workload out there. Have fun! :laugh:

HS

 

[realityman]

jonjuan,

I have a friend who flies for FedEx. Man, he is really raking it in! And you should see the gargantu-house he just built with his own private runway to use when he plays in his Stearman and T-6!

BUT, he's 48 and looks like he's 65. The years of long nights, always running his body against its natural circadian rythem, have really taken their toll on him.

I'll take my 'measely' $132K/year (with O/T and holidays will bring me close to $160K, plus full medical, a great 401K, and 4 weeks of vacation a year, and living almost wherever I want without a commute, just to name a few perks) and normal aging and lifespan over his paycheck and lifestyle, and premature aging any day of the year.

 

[dime line]

If flops can't get who they want they will just keep lowering the minimums until they get warm bodies to fill the seats. Its not like new SIC's have to be ready to upgrade in a year or two. They would be looking at ten years to upgrade probably.

PIC's get ready to play flight instructor and double your workload out there. Have fun! :laugh:

HS

I will not stand by and have our owners flying with substandard (low time) copilots. I might have to think about telling our owners that their copilot has 800 total time, and how do you feel about that mr. money bags?

Nj and anyother Fract will have a field day with this in their marketing plans.....

 

[Mach92]

jonjuan,

I have a friend who flies for FedEx. Man, he is really raking it in! And you should see the gargantu-house he just built with his own private runway to use when he plays in his Stearman and T-6!

BUT, he's 48 and looks like he's 65. The years of long nights, always running his body against its natural circadian rythem, have really taken their toll on him.

I'll take my 'measely' $132K/year (with O/T and holidays will bring me close to $160K, plus full medical, a great 401K, and 4 weeks of vacation a year, and living almost wherever I want without a commute, just to name a few perks) and normal aging and lifespan over his paycheck and lifestyle, and premature aging any day of the year.

Man your not kidding! Last year went to dinner with a college buddy on at UPS. He had been there for at least 5 years.

Anyway he was 32 looked late 40's. He was a DC-8 F/O doing nothing but night since he hired on. He really looked like SH!T from the neck up!

 

[CL300Pilot]

Hi Cliff.

This is most likely never going to happen at Flex. I will be surprised if they just opened up more bases. The DO has stated he will not open more bases, so we are stuck, at least for now, with DFW, DEN, FLL and EWR.

CL300pilot

Hi!

Any more info on FlexJet going to Home Basing?

cliff
YIP

 

[bailout]

Any hint of change at Citationshares yet? Have they mentioned whether they would consider any changes to the pilots?

Clearly they have to be concerned about a potential exodus among junior pilots - like the other fracs. I would be frustrated as a CS pilot if silence or inaction continued...

Nothing yet, and you're absolutely correct. Saying nothing to us is MUCH worse...

 

[bailey3083]

If flops can't get who they want they will just keep lowering the minimums until they get warm bodies to fill the seats. Its not like new SIC's have to be ready to upgrade in a year or two. They would be looking at ten years to upgrade probably.

PIC's get ready to play flight instructor and double your workload out there. Have fun! :laugh:

HS

Did that at the regionals and its no fun! lol But Flex can not lower their hiring mins so I am guessing we will be like Atlas and Arrow that if you are not retired or have a serious mark on your record you cant work for us.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Heard Flt Ops had 40 invited to interview, 4 showed up, 2 offered employment, 0 accepted.

Anyone else confirm the above???

cliff
YIP

 

[airjackson]

Man your not kidding! Last year went to dinner with a college buddy on at UPS. He had been there for at least 5 years.

Anyway he was 32 looked late 40's. He was a DC-8 F/O doing nothing but night since he hired on. He really looked like SH!T from the neck up!

I talked to a FEDEX Capt last year who was nearing retirement. Of all of his friends who had retired from FEDEX, only ONE was still alive past the age of 65. I couldn't believe it and thought he was pulling my leg. Absolute truth. Scary.