How & When Will The Other Fractionals Respond to NJA TA?

[theskyking]

Jonjuan, did someone at NetJets sleep with your wife of something? Why the overt hostility?

If all you can do is sit around and throw darts at NetJets, tell us where you work so we can fire back. Otherwise, just go away and put your own house in order. We're working on ours here and making strides at every opportunity.

Merry Christmas

 

[Cavpilot]

Jonjuan, did someone at NetJets sleep with your wife of something?

I was going to, but she was so fat and ugly I could never drink that much beer to bring myself to do it.

 

[RNObased]

Sorry guys, he has a good point.

No he doesn't. Jonjuan is uninformed, and not very bright. He is companing apples with oranges. One is a freight hauler and the the other is a fracational.

He is trying to get under the Netjets pilots skin by throwing out that we should be paid as much as UPS. Well that would be nice, but UPS is one of, or is the highest paid flying job in the US. They have been working at those wages for many years and many contracts. NJA has had one decent contract and one IBB, I think we are doing OK if you put it in that light.

I will take my salary which is probably double of jonjuans and head to the bank, I'm not worried about making what UPS is right this second. That would be short sighted and is jonjuan style; uniformed.

Where DO you work jonjuan, or do you have a job??

 

[flyipilot]

Why not compare UPS pay to NJA pay? You would think the "New England Patriots" of the fractional industry could at least match that of the a cargo hauler. Isn't 2nd year UPS F/O pay $120k a year? Now there's a contract!

Current UPS pay for year 2 is 73k. Not 120k....sorry, but NO ONE pays 120k a year at year 2..not even SWA...

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

OK. I think I was thinking $99K/year, but I think it was $99/hour, which must equal $73K.

I think Gulfstream pays at or over $120K/Year starting Year One! (after you're off probation). It's something ridiculously high.

cliff
YIP

 

[niteflyr]

I don't understand the statement about 7 days away from your wife and 12 days off. But look who it is coming from I guess. 7n7 = 15 days off per month, and three times a year I get 3 weeks off straight. Does UPS offer that? How many gateways, domiciles, HBA's or whatever does UPS offer? Like was said - apples vs oranges. Not the same job at all.

Don't get me wrong, there is some serious $$ to be made at UPS, they secured a great contract. But just like Frac flying isn't for everyone, neither is freight hauling. Been there done that, would have to make a lot more than that!

One other pertinent factor on NJA vs UPS - " Pilot application window closed. Hiring plans undetermined for 2008."

 

[Guitar rocker]

Why not compare UPS pay to NJA pay? You would think the "New England Patriots" of the fractional industry could at least match that of the a cargo hauler. Isn't 2nd year UPS F/O pay $120k a year? Now there's a contract!

This comparison doesnt even begin to make sense. Did you get turned down by NJ? I'll bet your wife is a NJ captain and your a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesman. Now I understand why your jealous. Hey, that Kirby is one fine machine so dont be upset. I think that we are using the dust devil for right now but maybe you can sell some hand held kirbys to us?

 

[jonjuan]

I don't understand the statement about 7 days away from your wife and 12 days off. But look who it is coming from I guess. 7n7 = 15 days off per month, and three times a year I get 3 weeks off straight. Does UPS offer that? How many gateways, domiciles, HBA's or whatever does UPS offer? Like was said - apples vs oranges. Not the same job at all.

Don't get me wrong, there is some serious $$ to be made at UPS, they secured a great contract. But just like Frac flying isn't for everyone, neither is freight hauling. Been there done that, would have to make a lot more than that!

One other pertinent factor on NJA vs UPS - " Pilot application window closed. Hiring plans undetermined for 2008."

I was just comparing the dollars and the fact that 7 days away is quite a bit for many as well as living in domicile at UPS- guess it came out wrong. Although I would guess the 121 guys (soon to be DAL, CAL, and AMR) would next time shoot for the UPS contract even though in different industries. Nope-Rome wasn't built in a day. No overt hostility intended.

 

[imacdog]

No overt hostility intended.

Yes it was. Now, what perfect aviation job do you work at?

 

[Fedmagnet]

Don't expect anything from Flight Options, they are too busy going out of business.

The pilots are so pissed that the crews are planning a safe Christmas. From 12/20 to New Years the planes won't fly if they are broke or the crew feels tired. There is also some kind of Oxygen mask flu that has been spreading. This will be the safest Christmas in Flops history. :cartman:

 

[Patriot328]

Current UPS pay for year 2 is 73k. Not 120k....sorry, but NO ONE pays 120k a year at year 2..not even SWA...

2nd year MD-11FO at FedEx is 128/hr. If that doesn't work out to 120k/yr, it's close.

 

[bailey3083]

You can pretty much see what Flex will do by A.H. post on the bluebelly about the last CAB meeting. Minimal raise with a reduction of days worked so we end up taking a pay cut. The CAB wonders why the pilot group does not support it are they blind?

 

[doylehargraves]

You can pretty much see what Flex will do by A.H. post on the bluebelly about the last CAB meeting. Minimal raise with a reduction of days worked so we end up taking a pay cut. The CAB wonders why the pilot group does not support it are they blind?

That's exactly what happened to us last time. They showed us that we would be "able" to make "x" amount if we worked 17 days. The problem was, no one got to work the 17; therefore, it was not much of a raise.

One thing is for sure, if they don't at least get captain wages above the highest F/O wages at NJ, they are going to have a serious problem on their hands.

 

[kman]

its pretty nice for ups or fedex guys,

I still think 1108 guys did a great job.

But I also believe we are still under valued and underpaid for the amount of work we do.

This or higher is what we should be shooting for next time around.
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/ups.html
2nd yr fo 112hr x 81hr guar x 12months=108,864

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/fedex.html
2nd yr fo 108hr x74hr guar x 12months=95,904
widebody fo 132hr 2nd yr fo =117,216

yes I know easy to say hard to do

 

[SilverSurfer]

No Taker at Floptions

Latest from Floptions attempts to hire some new pilots.

Last month Floptions invited 40 pilots to come to CGF for interviews. Only 4 accepted the invitation and following the interview 2 of the 4 were offered a job. Both of these pilots were smart enough to decline the offered position. Now management is considering how low they are going to lower the minimums to be able to find pilots hungry enough to come to work at this train wreck. Members of management are making references to the regionals hiring pilots with time as low as 250 TT.

Maybe Sh!thead and Punjab will be opening up a flight school in conjunction with Floptions and have their new hires paying them to come and work here. Fits right into Sh!theads plans to reduce us to the bottom of the fractional/general aviation bucket. Sh!t in Sh!t out.

All I can say to any potential new hires is "Run Forest Run" and don't look back:laugh: