How these guys got hired at Mesa, I have no idea

[DASH8AV8R]

I love it
"GO AROUND IS NOT AN OPTION":erm:

 

[Turtlesfly]

I mean, when they said "Failure is not an option" during Apollo 13, that was somewhat heroic leadership.

When the chick CA goes into an airport in the ERJ and says "go around is not an option," well, you get what you deserve.

 

[A-V-8]

Yeah, that one was legendary for a while.

I wonder what happened to the crew that flew it in the morning. Nice preflight.

Well sir, Wonder no longer. All were fired.

ALPA was able to get all of the jobs back with back pay except the woman who crashed it. Still talk of her around the crew room. Never heard any story about her end with anything other than she was the single most scary pilot I have ever encountered. And I would call in sick if I had to deadhead on a plane that she was flying. And some did for that reason. Folks close to her said that they knew long before ROA that she was an accident looking for a place to happen. She also had been fired from two 121 carriers before Mesa.

The Aircraft was flown from ROA to somewhere with passengers. Then a maintenance repo to have it inspected and that is when it was grounded. They replaced everything from the trailing edge of the wing back. It is in the Delta system now. I don’t know the tail #.

We were shown the data recorder in GS and the plane stalled with the pusher 2 times in 300 ft. No go around because that was apparently not an option.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Whoa at ROA.

We were shown the data recorder in GS and the plane stalled with the pusher 2 times in 300 ft. No go around because that was apparently not an option.

Are you quoting someone else? I hope so.

 

[A-V-8]

Are you quoting someone else? I hope so.

I don't understand.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I don't understand.

Go around was an option, the captain just didn't understand that just because maybe she couldn't take off on that runway, it didn't mean that a go-around was not available.

Anyone with more info back me up?

Oh, and I have flown in ROA many many times,

 

[A-V-8]

Go around was an option, the captain just didn't understand that just because maybe she couldn't take off on that runway, it didn't mean that a go-around was not available.

Anyone with more info back me up?

Oh, and I have flown in ROA many many times,

O.K. I was being Sarcastic. I thought you meant the FDR. O.K. They showed us a lot of stuff concerning the whole event in CRM.

I asked one of the guys who was upgrading to CPT. why a go around was not an option. He laughed and said that a go around was always an option. I whispered it to him because I was embarrassed that I had never heard of that procedure. He set me straight. We ended up flying on multiple occasions. Great guy. We did discuss the captain. He knew her personally.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Whew. You had me scared, man.

Good study case for a CRM lesson.

 

[Flyer1015]

He laughed and said that a go around was always an option.

Exception for fuel emergency, right?

If you have you have less than 450 lbs* of fuel in each wing (CRJ200), then a go around is not an option.
* Different number for different airlines.

 

[J32driver]

Exception for fuel emergency, right?

If you have you have less than 450 lbs* of fuel in each wing (CRJ200), then a go around is not an option.
* Different number for different airlines.

Yeah, yeah.... if you only have 5 minutes of fuel in the airplane you probably shouldn't attempt a go-around. We get it.

 

[b82rez]

Yeah, yeah.... if you only have 5 minutes of fuel in the airplane you probably shouldn't attempt a go-around. We get it.

What, are you a pu$$y or something?

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah, yeah.... if you only have 5 minutes of fuel in the airplane you probably shouldn't attempt a go-around. We get it.

Hey, you'd be surprised! There was a guy here who said he blew an interview because he said if he had to go around in a low fuel situation, he would shut down one engine (after getting established on the go-around) and come back to land (yes, IMC).

 

[BushwickBill]

Ok here are the pics a friend sent me, they were sent to him by a mx guy. As a disclaimer, these are not my pictures and I am not taking credit for them.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/bluemoon323/Jazz hard landing/Jazz Hard Landing/img5.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/bluemoon323/Jazz hard landing/Jazz Hard Landing/img1.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/bluemoon323/Jazz hard landing/Jazz Hard Landing/img2.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/bluemoon323/Jazz hard landing/Jazz Hard Landing/img3.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/bluemoon323/Jazz hard landing/Jazz Hard Landing/img4.jpg

Wow. Anyone have an NTSB report for this? Or the Canadian version of NTSB report?

Have you guys thought of bringing this kind of stuff to the attention of the public? A well published web page with a few of the photos I have seen here along with a well written rational piece detailing the state of the regional industry could frighten the public enough to try and change the airlines for the better. For pilots and passengers. Letters to the editor could accomplish this as well.

This stuff scares me. I don't have to airline that often either.

 

[Soverytired]

Well sir, Wonder no longer. All were fired.

ALPA was able to get all of the jobs back with back pay except the woman who crashed it. Still talk of her around the crew room.

I'm pretty sure one of the crewmembers died young of some disease (cancer?) before getting their job back.

As I recall, part of the "problem" the morning crew had doing the pre-flight (and missing the gaping hole in the airframe) was an in-op APU, so the captain asked the FO to do the first walk around so he could coordinate getting a power/huffer cart.

So . . . the first crew crashed it and missed the damage on the walk around.

The second crew had a captain delegating a duty his manual specifically told him he had to do (1st flight walk around). The fo who did the walk around did a sloppy job.

Did ANY of them deserve to keep their jobs? We're not talking about missing a static wick or a burnt out nav light. This was major airframe damage.

It's a cautionary tale for all of us to be more careful. And another example of why ALPA wastes our dues protecting those who probably don't deserve it.

 

[bailey3083]

From a June 2007 aviation interviews.com gouge:

To fill you in, the 'her' is a Mesa lady captain, asked this applicant a question:



Wow. Lose the Glideslope and you're gonna descend to 100 ft above the TDZE lights?!?!


Seriously?!?!?


"She said the MDA changes and go missed"

Duh! The lady captain is absolutely correct. You have to now use the LOC mins, since the glideslope is out of service. MDA changes, you must use the higher LOC only mins. Go Missed, brief the LOC-only approach, and then shoot the approach again.

Check his attitude: "I don't think she knew" LOL!

The scariest part is not just the fact this applicant responded he'd go down to 100 feet above the lights if he lost the glideslope... the scariest part is that his OTHER friends ALL AGREED with him.


Man, the money I would pay to see the look on the face of a Mesa IOE captain if his/her new hire FO said to continue to 100 ft above the lights if the glideslope went out.

Flyer you are right about the DH changing to a MDA but the FAA would look at it you were cleared for an ILS not a LOC and if the GS fails you should notify ATC, level off at your current altitude until the missed approach point then go missed. I asked my POI about it and he said you "could" try to turn it into a LOC approach only if you were just inside the FAF.

Bailey