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How these guys got hired at Mesa, I have no idea

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Turtlesfly said:
well it was the same crew that brought it in that took it back out, right?

What are they? Blind?
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It wasnt' the same crew! And once the sun came up in CLT after they flew in from ROA there you could notice that one of the engines was tilted up about 5 degrees more then the other. Looked like the damn engine was gonna come off. I believe the crew that flew it to CLT was suspended. The orginal crew was fired! And after the FO died of Breast Cancer the Captain tryed to get her job back by placing blame on the Dead FO! Now That is what I heard, sure someone can add to it.

Chick goes from the Right seat of a 1900D straight to the Left Seat of a RJ. (I remember her braggin about it in CLT all the time in the CrewRoom, Blonde chick not to bad looking) Add that too the fact the FO was kinda low time and didn't take over the plane you saw this kinda of thing coming.

I think we will be begin to see more stuff like this as the industry struggles to find pilots!

Good Luck to Everyone.....
 
capt1900 said:
I'm flying with people right now that can't even remember what city we are in or where we are going. And as far as ILS approaches go, forget it! Let alone any non precision app. I had to stop and slap myself only to realize that I wasn't dreaming, I am flying with idiots! Jumpseaters beware!
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Um...well...that is not all that unusual
 
All the commuters suck. Your splitting hairs. I don't care if they fly 90 seat hyperextended POS Canadairs. They're all commuter scum.
 
Did you ever see the pictures of the hard landing in Toronto, by Jazz?

They shoved the wheels on the CRJ through the wings and the flaps, which then FOD'ed out the engines. They somehow taxied off the runway. I don't have a place to host the photos.

They got two cranes and had to load it on a flatbed truck to get it to the hanger.
 
wmuflyguy said:
Did you ever see the pictures of the hard landing in Toronto, by Jazz?

They shoved the wheels on the CRJ through the wings and the flaps, which then FOD'ed out the engines. They somehow taxied off the runway. I don't have a place to host the photos.

They got two cranes and had to load it on a flatbed truck to get it to the hanger.
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photobucket.com It's free. Post them up :cool:
 
 
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I mean, when they said "Failure is not an option" during Apollo 13, that was somewhat heroic leadership.

When the chick CA goes into an airport in the ERJ and says "go around is not an option," well, you get what you deserve.
 
Inconceivable said:
Yeah, that one was legendary for a while. :)

I wonder what happened to the crew that flew it in the morning. Nice preflight.
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Well sir, Wonder no longer. All were fired.

ALPA was able to get all of the jobs back with back pay except the woman who crashed it. Still talk of her around the crew room. Never heard any story about her end with anything other than she was the single most scary pilot I have ever encountered. And I would call in sick if I had to deadhead on a plane that she was flying. And some did for that reason. Folks close to her said that they knew long before ROA that she was an accident looking for a place to happen. She also had been fired from two 121 carriers before Mesa.

The Aircraft was flown from ROA to somewhere with passengers. Then a maintenance repo to have it inspected and that is when it was grounded. They replaced everything from the trailing edge of the wing back. It is in the Delta system now. I don’t know the tail #.

We were shown the data recorder in GS and the plane stalled with the pusher 2 times in 300 ft. No go around because that was apparently not an option.
 
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Whoa at ROA.

A-V-8 said:
We were shown the data recorder in GS and the plane stalled with the pusher 2 times in 300 ft. No go around because that was apparently not an option.
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Are you quoting someone else? I hope so.
 
A-V-8 said:
I don't understand.
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Go around was an option, the captain just didn't understand that just because maybe she couldn't take off on that runway, it didn't mean that a go-around was not available.

Anyone with more info back me up?

Oh, and I have flown in ROA many many times,
 
ImbracableCrunk said:
Go around was an option, the captain just didn't understand that just because maybe she couldn't take off on that runway, it didn't mean that a go-around was not available.

Anyone with more info back me up?

Oh, and I have flown in ROA many many times,
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O.K. I was being Sarcastic. I thought you meant the FDR. O.K. They showed us a lot of stuff concerning the whole event in CRM.

I asked one of the guys who was upgrading to CPT. why a go around was not an option. He laughed and said that a go around was always an option. I whispered it to him because I was embarrassed that I had never heard of that procedure. He set me straight. We ended up flying on multiple occasions. Great guy. We did discuss the captain. He knew her personally.
 
Whew. You had me scared, man. ;)

Good study case for a CRM lesson.
 
He laughed and said that a go around was always an option.
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Exception for fuel emergency, right?

If you have you have less than 450 lbs* of fuel in each wing (CRJ200), then a go around is not an option.
* Different number for different airlines.
 
Flyer1015 said:
Exception for fuel emergency, right?

If you have you have less than 450 lbs* of fuel in each wing (CRJ200), then a go around is not an option.
* Different number for different airlines.
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Yeah, yeah.... if you only have 5 minutes of fuel in the airplane you probably shouldn't attempt a go-around. We get it.
 

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