How long is training at the Big-Boys?

[Iflyamouse]

Anyone care to provide some specifics on how long major/large national airlines spend on new-hire training?

Specifically, how long does your airline spend on indoc? Any pre-assigned material prior to class?

How long on aircraft 'systems'? Is it classroom led or CBT?

How many FTD sessions?

How many Sim sessions?

How many hours are required for IOE?

Thanks ... inquiring minds want to know.

 

[CaptSeth]

At ATA, I just did DC-10 training. It was quite good, and thorough. 10 day stand-up ground school, 3 CPT sessions, I think 3 FBS sessions, 6 sims, a pre-check, a check, and a loft. One day of NAV transition. The whole thing should take 5 weeks.

It would be nice to have everyone recalled and some new hires on the property, but that's a ways off.

 

[exeagle]

Nwa

Northwest has the AQP program, in lieu of Appendix F stuff, which basically means no "oral" or systems test, but rather, validation. Train to proficiency, in other words.

Not sure what other majors do.

DC9 breakdown (not sure about other fleets)

2 weeks indoc.

1 week systems, CBT and Classroom, combined with systems integration and then systems validation (ie. Test).

3 days of Procedure Training (callouts and flows in the sim) and then a validation.

9 sim sessions and a final LOE, or line oriented flight in the sim.

Finally, off to IOE....Grand total if all goes on schedule -8 weeks, give or take.

 

[SWA GUY]

SWA:

High Speed Taxi practice: 2 days (In LBB*)

*Now 1 extra day in GEG (with emphasis on fading)


Asking every controller for direct: 2 hours

Carrier type landing practice: 1 day(MDW)

1,2,3 Rule: 4 days (to be completed on IOE)

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Check airman on jumpseat said we will no longer be using the fade during taxi.

A large commitee is currently deliberating (while on full time trip pull) the use of the "tokyo drift".

They will begin meetings with an even larger commitee from Air Japan to determine how to best impliment this new procedure without actually having to do any training.

Expect a RBF within the next 18 months, just prior to the cancellation of the entire project in 24 months

 

[SWA GUY]

I understand the high speed icey taxi training program (HSITTP) in GEG has been delayed until......JULY!

 

[Cardinal]

LOL

Anyway, at Frontier nothing is pre-assigned. Non AQP. As far as I can remember:

10 day indoc.

6 day systems CBT, maybe 2 hours/day with an instructor.

5 FTDs

7 Full Motion

1 FM Mock Checkride

1 FM Checkride

1 FM Loft

1 FM CatII/III

4 "Observation" legs in a jumpseat requried prior to IOE.

40 hours is the IOE target, I only saw 31. (yay for me)

 

[Taildragon]

Seriously, if you have to ask this question by now wtf?

 

[exeagle]

Seriously, if you have to ask this question by now wtf?

Why is it such a crime to answer a legitimate question on this forum? Jeez

 

[Whataburger]

Depends if you include our PFT or not. IF so, add 10 days.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

A large commitee is currently deliberating (while on full time trip pull) the use of the "tokyo drift".

They will begin meetings with an even larger commitee from Air Japan to determine how to best impliment this new procedure without actually having to do any training.

The short course for the "Tokyo Drift" around here is six months:laugh:

 

[SpauldingSmails]

SWA:

High Speed Taxi practice: 2 days (In LBB*)

*Now 1 extra day in GEG (with emphasis on fading)


Asking every controller for direct: 2 hours

Carrier type landing practice: 1 day(MDW)

1,2,3 Rule: 4 days (to be completed on IOE)

Does this include interpretation and compliance with uniform signaling devices and signs outside of the airport ops area?

 

[Iflyamouse]

Seriously, if you have to ask this question by now wtf?

I read the article in the Feb 7 USA Today and got curious, that's all. I've been at one major and frankly, training was far easier, less stressful, and shorter, than any of the regionals I was at. I'm just curious what other majors require.

BTW .. the SWA comment was great! Well done!


Still looking for UAL and DAL if anyone cares to respond.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Well.....two days to learn how to work the french fry cooker. A week on how to use the grill. A couple of days to learn short order lingo....oh..you don't mean Shoney's Big Boy.....you mean Airlines than fly big airplanes. Then I guess I don't know....just kidding. Of course if you ever work at Mesa then you might have to take a second job at the Big Boy.

I suppose it varies. I did 737 training at two different airlines. Both took about two months to complete. Both used CBT heavily. About 7 or 8 full motion sim sessions and a check ride followed by a line oriented flight training session. oh and 25 hours of IOE.

 

[denny]

Don't forget the half day on radio usage! Ask every controller on every busy route you fly "how's the ride" every time you check on with 30 planes in front of you and 30 behind you all asking the same question. And don't forget that all important prime message of reporting light chop and frantically asking for ride reports from any plane in the area within 30,000 feet of your altitude and insisting on a report from each useable altitude. Then saying you'll just stay where you are and tough it out.