How is Life at Gojets?

[CX880]

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CX880 - You are obviously a plant of some sort (Harrison & Ford maybe??) to attempt to justify lowering the QOL and pay scale of all pilots. No one, and I do mean NO ONE is dumb enough to work for Mesa, TSA, Hojets, and then mourn the loss of Skybus, as that was where they really wanted to work. It really is not possible for anyone to have that poor of judgement. Perhaps it is some S&M thing you have going on?

Sorry dude only about half of that is correct. I don't work for gojets and the skybus thing was sarcasm. Lighten up.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Sorry dude only about half of that is correct. I don't work for gojets and the skybus thing was sarcasm. Lighten up.

If you don't work for them, then why support them emotionally? Why not show support for the guys on the street instead?

 

[CX880]

If you don't work for them, then why support them emotionally? Why not show support for the guys on the street instead?

Believe me I support the guys on the street.................

 

[masedogg19]

No strike.....try again....oh, and they joined a union too

 

[airjackson]

In other words, my ignorance quote]


I think you answered your own question.

 

[luvz2fli]

I was hired by Compass. They, along with the help of ALPA, seem to have come up with every way in the book not to pay you. They don't even give you a ticket to the first day of class. Their 12 month training contract is really 15 months. A real eye opener.

How do they turn a 12 month contract into 15? How do they not pay you? Please give some insider information on that company please...

 

[Options_SLAVE]

you have 10,000 hours. I am so impressed.

I haven't addressed any facts? ARE YOU UNABLE TO READ? Have you not been reading my posts? How about the simple fact that TSA is furloughing and GJ is hiring. Let's start with that fact which I mentioned earlier, but you apparently think is flame . Explain to me how you, as a "union leader," approve of that?

Northwest is furloughing, Compass is hiring. Do I approve of TSA's furloughing? Absolutely not, but they are 2 seperate airlines with two separate lists. GoJet is giving preferrential interviews and are hiring. Since GoJet has been proven in court and the NMB that they are not "alter-ego", there is nothing else anyone else can do about it. It certainly isn't the pilots' fault, and more and more TSA guys are coming over there every month.

 

[TSA ERJ]

It is the pilot's fault. You are an enabler of management and their efforts to undermine an existing contract and weaken a pilot group. Real "union leader" of you. Good luck.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Northwest is furloughing, ...

That would be a real news scoop, if true.

We've been keeping a close watch and as far as I know NWA's displacements were recinded based on the DAL/NWA JPWA.

You know something nobody else knows?

 

[MDWCrashPad]

How does Compass turn a 12 month training contract into 15?

Well, they don't start the timing until after you finish IOE.

On the first day of employment they bring you in for a one day orientation. You are responsible for getting to MSP on your own. They will not provide a ticket on their airline for you (that is your base they say). After the single day of orientation you are sent home with a CD about the airpland so that you can study at home, unpaid. This is for a "minimum" of 30 days. After the minimum of 30 days unpaid self training, you come back for a week of indoc training. Since it is your base, you are responsible for your own hotel. Sometime after that, you head off for the simulator training. After sim training you begin IOE. I would think that comes to about 3 months. Then the "12 month training contract" begins.

Even after you get back from your "minimum of 30 days" of unpaid home study, you are only paid for certain things, from what I understand.

But, before you know it, you begin earning that $23.59/flight hour. Now lets see, if you are on a 4 day trip begining at 6 am and getting back at 6pm on the 4th day that would be 84 hours. If you get 5 flight hours per day that would be 20 hours of credit. That amounts to $471.80. If you add in 1.50 per hour of per diem that comes to $597.80. Divide that by the 84 hours you are at work and you get an hourly rate of $7.12.

On the outer hand I should not really be counting per diem as pay because you must pay more to eat on the road than it would cost at home.

But, just remember that carrot that we have all learned to chase as pilots in this system that we helped to create. Should we consider alternatives to this system? Maybe some structural changes?

Just my perspective. Feel free to make corrections or to add other viewpoints. I'm not claiming to possess any answers, just questions.

 

[Flyer1015]

Absolutely not, but they are 2 seperate airlines with two separate lists.

You can't possibly believe that?!

It's like Pinnacle Airlines created a holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. and called us Pinnacle Airlines Inc. Then, Pinnacle Corp. bought Colgan Air.

Two separate airlines, two separate lists, right?

Don't fall for this management BS! All this crap happens so they can sidestep our scope. [ILLEGALLY I might add!]

 

[Options_SLAVE]

That would be a real news scoop, if true.

We've been keeping a close watch and as far as I know NWA's displacements were recinded based on the DAL/NWA JPWA.

You know something nobody else knows?

NWA and Delta are merging. Compass has a flow-through. You really think NWA won't be furloughing?

 

[Options_SLAVE]

You can't possibly believe that?!

It's like Pinnacle Airlines created a holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. and called us Pinnacle Airlines Inc. Then, Pinnacle Corp. bought Colgan Air.

Two separate airlines, two separate lists, right?

Don't fall for this management BS! All this crap happens so they can sidestep our scope. [ILLEGALLY I might add!]

Dude. It's been settled in Court AND by the NMB. They have been legally proven as such. There's nothing any pilot can do about it. If the TSA pilots think differently they should appeal. Why haven't they?

The horse is dead.

 

[oceandude]

bla, bla, bla, bla.... round and round you go.. LOL!! God, this thread is funny!

 

[Salukipilot4590]

What do you guys expect to get out of this thread? Epic-ness? Money? What?

 

[Melfly]

What do you guys expect to get out of this thread? Epic-ness? Money? What?

Money would be nice, also if I could get the guys to stop rationalizing the holiness of Gojets.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Haha. And get the TSA pilots to stop thinking that the flying they stole from eagle was stolen by G7. LoL

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Money would be nice, also if I could get the guys to stop rationalizing the holiness of Gojets.

HA! Money would make my life better! Seriously though when these guys get beat up day in and day out the only think they can do is try to make people see that GoJet isnt what we think it is. Everyone rationalizes their regionals. No regional airline is perfect either. You just have to be able to see both sides of a story...oh and you always have to be able to laugh at yourself.

 

[Citrus531]

There are some passionate views on here...258 reponses and counting. In the grand scheme of things though,there's so much more to think about and talk about than a little company with 15 jets....can't everyone just leave them alone already?

Move on and end this thread....but then again flightinfo is for beating dead horses I guess.

 

[bmpilot2003]

GO-JETS STILL SUX.

 

[CX880]

On the other forums this thread would have been stopped 6 days ago..... that's why I like flight info. Rumor has it half the Aug GJ class is former TSA guys.

 

[Turtlesfly]

NWA and Delta are merging. Compass has a flow-through. You really think NWA won't be furloughing?

Wait a minute! You accuse me of flame - you demand facts. So I gave you a fact - TSA is laying off and GJ was hiring. I asked you to defend that "Fact."

Your response: "NWA is furloughing." When pressed on it, your response changes to "You don't think NWA will furlough?"

You're telling us that the ONE fact that you stand on is a SKETCHY PREDICTION OF THE FUTURE?

 

[CX880]

Wait a minute! You accuse me of flame - you demand facts. So I gave you a fact - TSA is laying off and GJ was hiring. I asked you to defend that "Fact."

Your response: "NWA is furloughing." When pressed on it, your response changes to "You don't think NWA will furlough?"

You're telling us that the ONE fact that you stand on is a SKETCHY PREDICTION OF THE FUTURE?

GJ is hiring furloughed tsa because they're under one owner and a lot of management are former TSA employees. No one is pressuring them to hire TSA, it's not as if were being stalked by Hulas's henchmen to join GJ so that his evil plan to over through TSA pilots by formation of GJ will come into existence..

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Uh, your an idiot. That's a fact, Cap'n know-it-all.

The "FACT" is that the NMB and the U.S. courts agree with "your opinion" and the 4 or 5 others who have that opinion in this thread on this matter. Real world the opinion that you are trying to tout as "everyone" is not existant. Especially with the majors.

Two separate airlines, proven in court. Single list proven not to be legally possible. Those are the only facts. Everything else is opinions. There is nothing new to say in this thread, it's all been said, on both sides of the issue. Cobra nailed things the best with the state of the regional industry and it can not be disputed. It is absolutely hilarious and assinine that pilots who stole flying from other airlines and work for TSA say the things they've said about GoJet. But, think and say whatever you want, it makes zero difference in the real world.

There are 10 TSA furloughed pilots that will be in the August class, out of 16 to 18, I am told. The rest are probably ATA guys as the company hired every one of them that showed up at the ORD job fair.


Cheers.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Uh, your an idiot. That's a fact

hahahahahaha what a retard. If you're going to insult somebody, have a basic idea of the English language. It's "You're an idiot." Keep up the great work, union leader!

 

[lookin4better]

Hey Turtle..

I got hired at AE while AA was furloughing and parking F-100s and AE was growing .....sounds like whipsaw to me?

No difference here....life isnt fair...now back to popping your pimples and shaving with your dads razor.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Hey Turtle..

I got hired at AE while AA was furloughing and parking F-100s and AE was growing .....sounds like whipsaw to me?

No difference here....life isnt fair...now back to popping your pimples and shaving with your dads razor.

There's a huge difference. The difference is that you weren't offered a bigger plane at AA in exchange for short-cutting the seniority that AE people had, who were above you and who turned it down because it was a crappy offer and they stood strong.

 

[CX880]

Hey Turtle..

I got hired at AE while AA was furloughing and parking F-100s and AE was growing .....sounds like whipsaw to me?

No difference here....life isnt fair...now back to popping your pimples and shaving with your dads razor.

Actually though there is a big difference because GJ and TSA are totally different airlines. They're business don't conflict with one another.

 

[lookin4better]

its not about big airplanes

AE was flying smaller planes, but a huge % of AA routes with smaller planes and smaller paychecks.....

exactly word for word the same?....no....but its the same concept that you clammer about. Playing work groups against each other.

One last question...

Would you have the balls to call an ATA pilot now working at Gojet a sc#b to his or her face? Or any pilot at Gojet for that matter.....most would laugh at you.

My bet...you dont. I would love to see you try though....

I did agree with you and your thoughts on this matter in 2005 when they first started up, however , after the NMB and the court decision.....( NOT an alter ego, and NOT a violation of TSA scope clause)

I just realized how immature I was being in going along with a very small and vocal minority. I removed emotion from the equation and it is what it is.

And btw...sorry about the shaving comment....that was innappropriate. I see where your coming from, however I dont agree.

 

[Caspian27]

Two separate airlines, proven in court. Single list proven not to be legally possible.

Okay I'll bite.

Of course I agree with EVERYTHING that the courts have ruled...

How could one list not be possible between the 2 certificates? Republic/Chattaqua/Shuttle America has one list. Mesa/Freedom/Air Midwest has one list. It's the same thing. The reason these different certificates exist under the parent companies is for scope issues. It's the same reason GoJet was formed in the first place. So I ask again, if Republic Airways Holdings and Mesa Air Group can have one list why can't you legally have one?