How is Life at Gojets?

[redbook]

Show me a single pilot in the industry who is any different. You are no less "the help" than I am. You are no less a whore than I am. GoJet is not struck work. I do not condone or agree with the proposal that was offered the TSA pilots. I would have also voted no. However, the fact that they voted no does not mean I nor anyone else should not have applied and taken a job at GoJet.

There is not much I wouldn't do to support my family. Crossing a picket line is about the only thing I would not do. I would dig ditches to support my family. You have the luxury of not having to be unemployed and looking for a job in a market that floods more every day with high-time pilots. Even GoJet won't even look at your resume now if you have less than 4500 hours, and thanks to larger carriers like Aloha and ATA going OUT OF BUSINESS there are MANY, very high time pilots out there looking for work. Get real and grow up.

Go dig ditches. Your integrity is dependent on the economy, spineless one.

Oh, but we should give you a pass because of previous union work? Good one.

 

[redbook]

duplicate

 

[Options_SLAVE]

go to gojet and become a scumbag. simple.

It was created as an alter ego airline to whipsaw tsa pilots.

There is no 6 month limit to the whipsaw. TSA furloughing is a direct result of that whipsaw.

Those that "feed their families" at gojet, have done so by joining an alter ego carrier. There are consequences.

The U.S. courts disagree. GoJet got around AA's scope restricting TSA Holdings from flying 70 seat RJ's, it had nothing to do with circumventing a Union, and in fact the TSA pilots had the opportunity to merge the seniority lists and voted not to, and I don't blame them for what the company tried to slip in with that proposal.

As for the rest of your comments, I don't care and I am not concerned. *shrug*

 

[Freight Dog]

I have no beef in this fight - never worked at TSA, GoJet, or anything like that. However, I've been an ALPA pilot for the last 7 years, and I'd like to see a rational reply against GoJet. Can someone please answer me this:

Why should someone boycott GoJet considering that ALPA's lawsuit got thrown out and NMB single carrier petition was rejected by NMB?

Please, before you say anything about the plight of TSA pilots, don't forget to include the plight of mainline pilots who lost their jobs due to regional pilots' willingness to fly a jet for $22/hour and captains on that jet making what a mainline 2nd year FO makes.

 

[TSA ERJ]

Options Slave,
I can tell you got your story from your GoJet colleagues and not from your own research. It's word for word the GoJet supporters line. With a little independant research you would learn that the proposal to the TSA pilots from management allowed furloughs by airframe and would not be based on seniority. Anyone flying a 50 seater would be out and those flying 70 seaters would stay It didn't just contain below industry pay rates but extended an already 5 year old contract, so it wasn't just pay, but every aspect of an out dated contract. Additionally, the Eagle situation was a management decision and not a seat grab by opportunistic pilots. We had no control over where the airplanes came from and legally could not do anything to stop it. I doubt you will find a single pilot at TSA that wasn't in complete support of the Eagle pilots and their grievance. I understand their frustration but it was misdirected. Not that you care as the only perspective you're interested in is the one that helps you to justify your decision. Good luck to you.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Go dig ditches. Your integrity is dependent on the economy, spineless one.

Oh, but we should give you a pass because of previous union work? Good one.

I've never done anything on a free pass. My integrity is intact, and I care less what you think - especially looking over your posts and your attitude. Your opinion means as much to me as Michael Scheeringa's.

 

[redbook]

The U.S. courts disagree. GoJet got around AA's scope restricting TSA Holdings from flying 70 seat RJ's, it had nothing to do with circumventing a Union, and in fact the TSA pilots had the opportunity to merge the seniority lists and voted not to, and I don't blame them for what the company tried to slip in with that proposal.

As for the rest of your comments, I don't care and I am not concerned. *shrug*

The company circumvented the spirit and intent of the tsa contract by creating an alter ego company.

They did so "legally". Scabs cross picket lines "legally".

If you did one minute of union work in your life, you would care and you would be concerned.

 

[redbook]

I've never done anything on a free pass. My integrity is intact, and I care less what you think - especially looking over your posts and your attitude. Your opinion means as much to me as Michael Scheeringa's.

That quick road to the left seat by joining an alter ego is your attempt at a free pass.

But you are right. Its is not free. At least you know the consequences already.

 

[redbook]

I have no beef in this fight - never worked at TSA, GoJet, or anything like that. However, I've been an ALPA pilot for the last 7 years, and I'd like to see a rational reply against GoJet. Can someone please answer me this:

Why should someone boycott GoJet considering that ALPA's lawsuit got thrown out and NMB single carrier petition was rejected by NMB?

Please, before you say anything about the plight of TSA pilots, don't forget to include the plight of mainline pilots who lost their jobs due to regional pilots' willingness to fly a jet for $22/hour and captains on that jet making what a mainline 2nd year FO makes.

Freight Dog,

The regional versus mainline argument is simply muddying the waters by bringing up a messy issue that does not belong in an alter ego dispute.

 

[instructordude]

I'm at a major now but Gojets is a good place. Good starting pay, new jets that fit 66 pax, good management and a lot of growth for the future. I would highly recommend Gojet to anyone wanting some large jet experience as stepping stone to one of the major airlines.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Options Slave,
I can tell you got your story from your GoJet colleagues and not from your own research. It's word for word the GoJet supporters line. With a little independant research you would learn that the proposal to the TSA pilots from management allowed furloughs by airframe and would not be based on seniority. Anyone flying a 50 seater would be out and those flying 70 seaters would stay It didn't just contain below industry pay rates but extended an already 5 year old contract, so it wasn't just pay, but every aspect of an out dated contract. Additionally, the Eagle situation was a management decision and not a seat grab by opportunistic pilots. We had no control over where the airplanes came from and legally could not do anything to stop it. I doubt you will find a single pilot at TSA that wasn't in complete support of the Eagle pilots and their grievance. I understand their frustration but it was misdirected. Not that you care as the only perspective you're interested in is the one that helps you to justify your decision. Good luck to you.

Actually I did know all of that, but thanks for clarifying. As I said, I don't blame the TSA pilots for voting it down, and I probably would have voted no on it as well if I were on the seniority list. However, now I'm not sure it was the right thing for you guys to do, but hind site is always 20-20. Voting it down did not stop any furloughing, they are still happening, but would have given your pilots some mobility and there would be less pilots on the street, and at least SOME longevity would have carried over, which is better than nothing, which is what those furloughed have, now.

The company is desperate to break out of AA's scope and 50 seaters are no longer a plane the majors want. If American files, TSA could be in serious trouble. Then again, if United files, GoJet could be in serious trouble.

Regardless, had the vote passed, the furloughs would still happen but would be less as Gojet is hiring, but the issues the pilots didn't like could have been negotiated and repaired later. So in hind site, yeah, I think the pilot group should have voted differently even though I would have been a "no" voter myself.

Regardless, we can't do anything about it, now. I just think it's unfair to point fingers at new-hire GoJet pilots who had nothing to do with that vote or the proposal.

 

[redbook]

I'm at a major now but Gojets is a good place. Good starting pay, new jets that fit 66 pax, good management and a lot of growth for the future. I would highly recommend Gojet to anyone wanting some large jet experience as stepping stone to one of the major airlines.

Beetlejuice!

Perfect timing.

Any other questions?

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Freight Dog,

The regional versus mainline argument is simply muddying the waters by bringing up a messy issue that does not belong in an alter ego dispute.

LoL No, and this proves my point about you and your previous posts. It's exactly the same thing, as the results are the same: The Majors are finding ways for pilots to fly planes for cheaper prices with less benefits. It is EXACTLY the same.

redbook is easy to point out crap on someone else's stick but refuses to acknowledge the smell of his own stick. Again.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

That quick road to the left seat by joining an alter ego is your attempt at a free pass.

But you are right. Its is not free. At least you know the consequences already.

You see my concern for your consequences.

 

[redbook]

yeah, I think the pilot group should have voted differently even though I would have been a "no" voter myself.

Regardless, we can't do anything about it, now. I just think it's unfair to point fingers at new-hire GoJet pilots who had nothing to do with that vote or the proposal.

Guilty feelings already?

New hire gojet guys are ok....old ones bad.

Ok got it....such a sliding scale, limbo limbo...I think you can duck under with your integrity

 

[redbook]

even though I would have been a "no" voter myself.

Regardless, we can't do anything about it, now. I just think it's unfair to point fingers at new-hire GoJet pilots who had nothing to do with that vote or the proposal.

WOW,

You would have voted no....and then whipsawed yourself! But technically as a new gojet pilot you would have had nothing to do with it.

 

[TSA ERJ]

Well Options, you pointed out the Eagle situation but failed to address the real story in your response. You are right though, you had nothing to do with the proposal but you are an enabler of management and their anti-labor endeavors. Like it or not. Good luck to you.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

The company circumvented the spirit and intent of the tsa contract by creating an alter ego company.

Again. The U.S. courts disagree.

They did so "legally". Scabs cross picket lines "legally".

Actually it is illegal to circumvent a CBA. Doing so is illegal, therefore they did no such thing as it was proved such in court.

Scabs cross a picket line in violation of Union directives, going directly against the union's (pilot group's) wishes. There is no ban issued by any Union in interviewing and accepting jobs at Gojets.

If you did one minute of union work in your life, you would care and you would be concerned.

It is the baseless arguments and empty threats I am not concerned with. Because there is no reason to be concerned. Gojet is legitimate work. The dispute is between TSA pilots and management and has nothing to do with the Gojet pilots. When it does, I'll be concerned. Right now I just hope that as many furloughed TSA pilots as possible can get on there. It is not my fault they voted down a single list, nor my responsibility to avoid working there because of it. Just like every wholly owned regional pilot who holds a job and their major airline has pilots on furlough. That was what their pilots decided. With the definitions being used, American Eagle is just as much an alter ego as Gojet is. Any wholly owned would be. I can't be concerned with that, I have no control over it and neither does anyone.

 

[redbook]

Again. The U.S. courts disagree.



Options,

You know better. That is why you said you would vote NO.

But I guess you can surrender your morals and values to a court decision when it suits you.

Sounds like Flight Options management? Irony

 

[redbook]

A. There is no ban issued by any Union in interviewing and accepting jobs at Gojets.

The ALPA president at the time made it crystal clear, through press statements and rallies in STL that gojet was an alter ego carrier.

But I guess that wasn't enough. You needed to be banned!