How did DALPA treat PanAm?

[eaglefly]

More words of wisdom from one of DALPA's elite....I'll take this to mean that you were wrong about the lawsuit trying to steal your seniority....Just another DALPA lie....One of many.....

DALPA and Hillary have much in common...the more they speak...the more they lie....

He is the poster boy for the scum that exists there.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I thought I smelled something on the bottom of my shoe.

I did !

Didn't I ask you to do the industry a favor and throw yourself in front of a fast moving bus ?

I can scrape your foul smelling brains of my shoe, but the rest of you still festers.

Come on baby............find a bus stop fast !

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[JoeMerchant]

He is the poster boy for the scum that exists there.

...that gives scum a bad name....

 

[avrodriver]

He is the poster boy for the scum that exists there.

Sounds like someone needs a hug...

Not It!

 

[eaglefly]

NO, that was just your breath blowing back in your face!


Hey fester, I've forgotten more than you've ever learned!



I tried, but your sister had the boys lined up around the block! She's getting way too cheap!:laugh: :beer:
Hey look, JB has a new friend. I think your girlfriend LJ might be a little jealous....
Maybe with eaglefly's 20 year pay and your $$million lawsuit settlement, you guys can finally get that little love nest down on the beach in MIA!:laugh:

737

She must have lied, because I don't have a sister. Actually, "she" was a HE. We appreciate you admitting your homosexuality ( not that there is anything wrong with that). It must be a relief to come out of the closet and admit your attraction to other men and hopefully, it will give you some peace.

Now if you can get control of your sexual compulsion for farm animals, you'll REALLY be making progress.

We're all rooting for you.

Say hi to that scumbag Lee, when you get a chance.

 

[n6604f]

Are you kiddn me?

Pan AM was bankrupt, very much like TWA and USair. Delta saved many jobs that otherwise would of been lost! Additionally, that fire sale is now the saving grace of Delta. Without it Delta certainly would not have the International presence they have and a bright future moving forward because of the purchase of Pan AM.

NWA and DL is a MERGER and not an Buyout of a failing airine!!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you kiddn me?

Pan AM was bankrupt, very much like TWA and USair. Delta saved many jobs that otherwise would of been lost! Additionally, that fire sale is now the saving grace of Delta. Without it Delta certainly would not have the International presence they have and a bright future moving forward because of the purchase of Pan AM.

NWA and DL is a MERGER and not an Buyout of a failing airine!!!!!

Are you kidding me??....You are defending the staple of these PanAm pilots below future DAL newhires AND you admit that the PanAm purchase had value to Delta....A purchase that added much value and you support stapling fellow ALPA "brothers" below future newhires.....The arrogance is amazing....and will be ALPA's downfall....

 

[Clipperskip]

screw job?

If Delta was so bad for the Pan Am pilots why were they fighting tooth and nail to get bids to the equipment that Delta was taking in the deal? I know several of the former Pan Am pilots and while it was not all wine and roses Delta treated them a hell of a lot better than Pan Am ever did. Could Delta have done more? Yes but keep in mind that if Delta had done nothing Pan Am was going to fail and these guys that “got screwed” by Delta would have been filing for unemployment.

Yep sounds like the "Ole Delta Mentality"...it is alright to screw these Pan Am guys because they would have lost their jobs anyway. Great. I'm glad that I was one of the ones that didn't get the opportunity to go from the Blue Ball to Delta. That aside, I wish all the NWA and DAL airmen success in the establishment of a fair and equitable seniority list. Please do not repeat the mistakes of 1991! Karma can be such a ....., well you know!

 

[bravodude]

Are you kidding me? What about your attempt to hijack and steal the seniority from DAL pilots?
You and your kind are the reason there is so much disharmony in this union. You are a disgrace, but as an rjdc officer, its no surprise!uke:

737

Wow someone finally put you in youre place. Good you deserve it. Come talk to me after you guys have to declare BK AGAIN since you cant act like pilots when trying to combine a SL. Go NW baby go!

 

[AC560]

Pan AM was bankrupt, very much like TWA and USair. Delta saved many jobs that otherwise would of been lost!

What does the condition of the airlines in the merger have to do with how one pilot group integrates another into its ranks?

 

[tblosser]

Yep sounds like the "Ole Delta Mentality"...it is alright to screw these Pan Am guys because they would have lost their jobs anyway. Great. I'm glad that I was one of the ones that didn't get the opportunity to go from the Blue Ball to Delta. That aside, I wish all the NWA and DAL airmen success in the establishment of a fair and equitable seniority list. Please do not repeat the mistakes of 1991! Karma can be such a ....., well you know!

Yep sounds like the "ole sky god mentality"...thanks for the good wishes...1991 is a totally different situation from now.

 

[tblosser]

What does the condition of the airlines in the merger have to do with how one pilot group integrates another into its ranks?

Delta acquired part of Pan Am. It was not a merger of two airlines.

 

[AC560]

Delta acquired part of Pan Am. It was not a merger of two airlines.

Ok well what does the terms of the agreement have to do with the two pilot groups working out an equitable merger of lists? I am failing to see the argument that most are making.

It is akin to saying people in Poland were starving so it was great that Stalin saved them, they should have been thankful.

 

[tblosser]

Ok well what does the terms of the agreement have to do with the two pilot groups working out an equitable merger of lists? I am failing to see the argument that most are making.

It is akin to saying people in Poland were starving so it was great that Stalin saved them, they should have been thankful.

The Pan Am pilots had the option of remaining at Pan Am or going to Delta. It was their choice. Unlike most mergers where there is no choice. If the deal was so bad why would they have gone to Delta? Why would they leave Pan Am and loose seniority? Why would some of them leave Pan Am and basically become new hires in future classes at Delta? To save their jobs.

 

[737 Pylt]

Wow someone finally put you in youre place.Good you deserve it.

Yeah, he really put me in my place bravodoosh! Way to go!

Come talk to me after you guys have to declare BK AGAIN since you cant act like pilots when trying to combine a SL. Go NW baby go!

LMAO! Is that the best you got?
Maybe you should focus on your airlines lack of safety record, and all the lawsuits coming your way sport!:laugh:

Back to the topic at hand.
The Pan Am acquisition was just that. An acquisition, not a merger. Maybe you guys so concerned with the way the seniority was handled should ask the pilots of Pan Am what their thoughts are on the "dirty 30?"

737

 

[glasspilot1]

Pan AM was bankrupt, very much like TWA and USair.

Small correction; as part of the deal, American demanded TWA file chap 11. We were not in B.R. court when the deal was announced.

 

[Morning Wood]

As Delta hired new pilots off the street, they replaced each X on the seniority list with that pilot...inserting them senior to the Pan Am pilots. In other words, Pan Am pilots were inserted JUNIOR to pilots who had not even been hired by Delta as of the date of integration. This is what our great and wonderful Delta family calls "fair and equitable".

Sounds real similar to what NW did by continuing to hire people after Republic was furloughing.

 

[Going2Baja]

Yes but keep in mind that if Delta had done nothing Pan Am was going to fail and these guys that “got screwed” by Delta would have been filing for unemployment.

Not true...Delta was buying some of the routes of Pan Am and some of the equipment. My understanding is that the price DAL agreed to pay for the deal they never paid and FORCED Pan Am to shut down. There is still a pending lawsuit. This will end up being just one more example of ALPA throwing fellow members under the buss for the benefit of $$$.

The current deal is a MERGER of two non BK companies than can make it independently. If the merger is going to happen then they need a MERGER of seniority, not a staple. The benefit to both groups will be a larger/stronger pilot group with many more aircraft and routes. Would someone please tell me the disadvantage of a DOH merger?

And I don't want to talk about "Dirty 20/30/40" or whatever. OK....some PAA guys saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to be the last guys standing at the dance....Oh well. Take a look at the current Aloha deal....New hires still flying the 200's and being paid when 20+ year Capt's are on the street getting unemployment.

My $0.02

Baja

ps. And yes my dad is Ret. PAA 1942-1980 B314 - B747

 

[Toecutter]

The Pan Am pilots had the option of remaining at Pan Am or going to Delta. It was their choice. Unlike most mergers where there is no choice. If the deal was so bad why would they have gone to Delta? Why would they leave Pan Am and loose seniority? Why would some of them leave Pan Am and basically become new hires in future classes at Delta? To save their jobs.

That is true. One more note. The 727 pilots had to "interview" for their jobs at Delta and pass a Delta medical. The A-310 pilots didn't have to for some reason. If I remember correctly, Delta had guys on the street at the time of the acquisition. Not sure how new hires could have bypassed Pan Am pilots.

 

[Donsa320]

Sounds real similar to what NW did by continuing to hire people after Republic was furloughing.

What? It was along time ago but I was there. I do not recall any Republic furloughs. And any new hires went onto the "Blue Book" list and would have been furloughed first. Please explain your comment.

Thanks.