How did DALPA treat PanAm?

[licorice]

Not true...Delta was buying some of the routes of Pan Am and some of the equipment. My understanding is that the price DAL agreed to pay for the deal they never paid and FORCED Pan Am to shut down. There is still a pending lawsuit. This will end up being just one more example of ALPA throwing fellow members under the buss for the benefit of $$$.

The current deal is a MERGER of two non BK companies than can make it independently. If the merger is going to happen then they need a MERGER of seniority, not a staple. The benefit to both groups will be a larger/stronger pilot group with many more aircraft and routes. Would someone please tell me the disadvantage of a DOH merger?

And I don't want to talk about "Dirty 20/30/40" or whatever. OK....some PAA guys saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to be the last guys standing at the dance....Oh well. Take a look at the current Aloha deal....New hires still flying the 200's and being paid when 20+ year Capt's are on the street getting unemployment.

My $0.02

Baja

ps. And yes my dad is Ret. PAA 1942-1980 B314 - B747

Other than the slight "disadvantage" of placing only the top 200 pre '85 DAL pilots in the top 1500 of the combined list, DOH is fine!

 

[clippyrip]

Yep sounds like the "ole sky god mentality"...

The difference is, God does not think he is a Delta pilot.

 

[AC560]

The Pan Am pilots had the option of remaining at Pan Am or going to Delta. It was their choice. Unlike most mergers where there is no choice. If the deal was so bad why would they have gone to Delta? Why would they leave Pan Am and loose seniority? Why would some of them leave Pan Am and basically become new hires in future classes at Delta? To save their jobs.

Thanks makes the point more clear relative to the PA/DL conversation.

 

[AA717driver]

aa73--You're right about RP. A high school friend and his buddy were hired by RP at the same time. My friend got in the last RP class and his buddy was pushed over to NW.

My friend spent several years in the 9 and his friend went immediately to the 757.

Strange.

On topic: IMO, anyone who defends a seniority integration by claiming 'your alternative is the unemployment line' has no defense. TC

 

[tblosser]

On topic: IMO, anyone who defends a seniority integration by claiming 'your alternative is the unemployment line' has no defense. TC[/quote]


The seniority integration that had the Pan Am pilots placed below future Delta new hires was done by the Pan Am MEC. The MEC did this because they were not representing these guys. They were PFEs, left over from National Airlines; they were represented by another union. The PFEs tried to go around ALPA in the negations to get a better deal for their guys. The Pan Am MEC got wind of it and they were slotted in with future Delta new hires. Orange vs. Blue animosity a lot like red book vs. green book. But that is not the end of the story, after they were at Delta their seniority was adjusted and this was corrected. In the end they had jobs and the Pan Am guys did not…like someone else pointed out karma is a….

Great avatar…ok I set the building on fire.