Hey Guys! I have an idea of how to expose management, and have somone fight for us

[AcroChik]

Sorry, double post.

 

[pilotyip]

Reality check, this is still a great job, where else can a high school graduate make close to $100K per year by the time he is in his mid-30's. With a little luck getting hired at AirTran Jet Blue, it is an even greater job making in the $125-$150 range.

 

[Falconjet]

Lets see, the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB are places that come to mind for me. I wonder how many of them are on a website complaining that they make too much money and should just play their sport because they like to.

FJ

 

[Ace757]

He fights for people who can't help themselves, and who have been taken advantage of. I think that pretty much somes up pilots these days.

 

[banger]

He fights for people who can't help themselves, and who have been taken advantage of. I think that pretty much somes up pilots these days.

I like your idea.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I like the idea Ace but you forget one thing....the flying public doesn't give a rats ass about pilot pay. Even if you get O'reilly on our side it won't matter. The average passenger wants cheap fares and thats it. Until these 300 hour riddle wonders start making smoking holes in the ground it won't matter to the flying public who is in the cockpit or how much they make.

 

[Ace757]

You just have to see this man work! I have watched him for a long time, and he has turned very small things into big things. Take the whole saying Merry Christmas thing. He has single handedly scared all of corp. America to start saying it. He has conducted polls, and has urged people not to shop at places that say Happy Holidays. He has the # 1 news show in the country 100's of millions watch him every night world wide. He not only thinks, but he knows he has the power to shake things up in America. YOUR TELLING ME THAT IF SOMEONE BROUGHT THE MESABA STORY TO HIM ABOUT FO'S MAKING $18,000 A YEAR HAVING TO TAKE A 17% PAY CUT, AND THE ONE'S THAT THEY FURLOUGH HAVING TO PAY A $24,000 TRAINING CONTRACT, AND HE WOULDNT HELP THEM......YOUR NUTS! This is how his program thrives. Just tell him about how much money these 18k FO's spent to get to that point, and what kinda salaries, and bonuses executives make. He will try to bring the CEO on the program, and if he declines......Oreilly will call him on it, and humiliate him on live TV. You know this would happen. The Mesaba story is defiantly a good start. and if you want to get into outsourcing.....that would be good too. Or hey......I got another one.......Talk about that ex Delta CFO who is going to court to keep her first class travel benefits. Im telling you guys......this could work. AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME ONE MORE TIME THAT OREILLY DOESN'T CARE, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T CARE, FOX IS CONSERVATIVE...YADA YADA YADA......GIVE IT A TRY! WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE AT THIS POINT.

 

[mar]

You'll keep us posted, I'm sure.

Since you've already sent off your email (I'm sure) please promise to let us know what kind of response you get.

Good luck, we're all counting on you.

 

[Ace757]

I will definatly send him an e-mail if thats what it takes. BUT, I think it would be more meaningful from some of you that have actually lost something. I HAVEN'T, so I looses some credibility when the only thing I can say that i might loose is my Delta S2's. Please guys...those of you with Mesaba, Comair, Delta, United, USAIR, and espicially NORTHWEST. YES ESPICIALLY NORTHWEST, please send him an e-mail. He will contact you, possibly as you on the show, you can tell your sob story, he will belittle the management ....END OF STORY

 

[kaisersose]

Reality check, this is still a great job, where else can a high school graduate make close to $100K per year by the time he is in his mid-30's. With a little luck getting hired at AirTran Jet Blue, it is an even greater job making in the $125-$150 range.

Don't hold your standards so low. Electricians, plumbers and general contractors to name a few easily can make that much. A family member of mine makes much more than that collecting tickets on a train. A $100k sounds like allot but today it is not. If you live in NYC you might be considered lower middle class at $100k. Used to be pilots for majors were upper middle or rich. If you are happy with less and less then get ready for less and less. I know times have changed with 9/11 and LCCs but if you lower your expectations for pay then management will certainly meet your expectations. Then my company will expect me to accept your expectations. Also used to be a Captain making $125/hr top pay in todays dollars meant he had a couple violations and a DUI or two when he got hired.

Reality Check-wait until you make that $100g and think wow that's a 100% more than I made at $50g and I only take home 30% more. Those upper tax brackets will really make you hate the politicians when they say any one over 50gs is rich.

 

[pilotyip]

Again back to reality, only on a pilot board would someone say that $100k/yr is lowered standards. Yes Electricans, etc make that much money in big cities, good for them, if you want to make that much as a plumber, become a plumber. My brother-in-law, a high school grad, runs a muffler shop, makes over $200K/yr. But none of these guys fly airplanes and that is why you come into this profession.

 

[GoingHot]

No correlation between aviation and pro sports.

Lets see, the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB are places that come to mind for me. I wonder how many of them are on a website complaining that they make too much money and should just play their sport because they like to.
FJ

I'm pretty sure PILOTYIP was talking about "regular people". How many people in the U.S. can consistently throw a baseball @ 90 knots across a little piece of rubber? Maybe 11 or 12 total. ANYBODY CAN FLY AN AIRPLANE, which results in an over-supply of airplane drivers. Combine that with the fact that most pilots who love flying will take a $50k flying job over a $100k job sitting at a desk. And then there's SJS.

Pilots will continue to B!itch, (thats what we do), but we will have to accept the fact that things have changed in this industry. But PILOTYIP's still has a valid point. Aviation can still be a career where you can make a solid middle to upper middle class income, and at the same time, enjoy what you do.

 

[Ace757]

Again back to reality, only on a pilot board would someone say that $100k/yr is lowered standards. Yes Electricans, etc make that much money in big cities, good for them, if you want to make that much as a plumber, become a plumber. My brother-in-law, a high school grad, runs a muffler shop, makes over $200K/yr. But none of these guys fly airplanes and that is why you come into this profession.

pilotyip: Right now im mainly aiming towards the regional guys. This is where it all starts. So your saying its ok for a professional pilot making 18K to take a 17% pay cut? Man....you must be insane. But anyway, If that pilot takes a pay cut than the major guys will have to take one too to compete. Any YES.....100k/yr is a hidious wage for a major pilot flying a 777. u can't defend it yip. it takes somone 30 years of hard work to get to the 777 for like a year before they retire. MOST DO NOT MAKE IT,

 

[Draginass]

The American public doesn't give a rat's fart about airline pilots or airline workers, OR UNIONS. They hate the airlines and the news media stirs that up for ratings. Most workers in the country are NOT union and have the stereotyped image of a lazy overpaid bum. Look at NW. They totally defeated the mechanics union and replaced them with Scabs. Any outcry from NW passengers? Heck no. They DON"T CARE, as long as the airplane doesn't crash. Heck, the pilots don't even care. They've got their own problems facing the NW buzzsaw.

Bill O'Reilly care about airlines unions? He cares about RATINGS and selling his children's indoctrination books. You watch. GM and Ford are going to screw tens of thousands of unionized workers, and the American public will say "screw the unions" and merrily drive off to Walmart in their Hondas.

If airline unions are going to get the attention of managements, they're going to have to SHUT AN AIRLINE DOWN, PERMANENTLY.

 

[Ace757]

The American public doesn't give a rat's fart about airline pilots or airline workers, OR UNIONS. They hate the airlines and the news media stirs that up for ratings. Most workers in the country are NOT union and have the stereotyped image of a lazy overpaid bum. Look at NW. They totally defeated the mechanics union and replaced them with Scabs. Any outcry from NW passengers? Heck no. They DON"T CARE, as long as the airplane doesn't crash. Heck, the pilots don't even care. They've got their own problems facing the NW buzzsaw.

Bill O'Reilly care about airlines unions? He cares about RATINGS and selling his children's indoctrination books. You watch. GM and Ford are going to screw tens of thousands of unionized workers, and the American public will say "screw the unions" and merrily drive off to Walmart in their Hondas.

If airline unions are going to get the attention of managements, they're going to have to SHUT AN AIRLINE DOWN, PERMANENTLY.

All I hear from you guys is he won't, he does not care, why waste your time, and so forth. WELL HAS ANYONE TRIED? EVER HERE OF NOTHING VENTURED, NOTHING GAINED? IF YOU ASK YOU SHALL RECIEVE? guess not hugh. Well lets just keep whinnig and feeling sorry for ourselves again.

 

[Ace757]

MY NWA Rant

Ok......is it just me or are the NWA pilots the biggest bunch of panzys in the industry. They are like the whipping boy from back in the day. Yes'm Sir, can I have another?? They have absolutly NO BALLS. You will take whatever NWA management gives you. WAKE UP AND SEE THEY WANT YOU GONE. ALL OF YOU!!! first they start with the DC-9 outsourcing, than hey....as long as they are getting people to fly these for $40 an hr, how about 757's. I bet we could get somone to fly them for $42.50. And how about those 747's. I bet there are some riddle grads that would PAY to fly that.

By NWA pilots giving in, they are ending there own careers. BYE BYE GUYS! HELLO NEWCO!! If you are so lucky to work there you will be flying as FO for some 23 year old.

Hey NWA guys.....im not trying to bash you.....its nothing personal. But I am being harsh with you because you deserve it. You need help. SELF HELP.

 

[Phaedrus]

DUDE, GIVE IT A REST! and quit typing in all caps and use a spell checker. I think you'd be better off starting a Bill O'Reilly fan club. Sheesh. I THINK WE SHOULD CALL AL SHARPTON AND GET HIM TO BRING OUR PLIGHT TO THE PUBLIC!

 

[Ace757]

If you don't like it, don't read it! You have an option of what threads to view. I think im doing you all a favor here. This whole board is filled with a bunch of cry babies without any balls.

Either put up, or shut up!

None of this oh woe as me bull

 

[Phaedrus]

'nuff said...at least about the spell checker part.
Whoa as me!

Either put up, or shut up!

Go for the latter.

 

[whymeworry?]

While I will agree that hammering oreilly with thousands of emails MIGHT get his attention, I am still doubtful those of us on this board could do anything to pique his interests regarding the corportate terrorism that plagues our industry.

I email bill all the time about regarding stories of ill children who need to raise money for expensive surgery. I do this hoping to help these kids get some attention to their story to help them out, and I never tell this kids I am doing this. Not even a form reply from bill or his staff! I like Bill, but he is selfish like the rest of the media. He takes a few moments to "fight for the common man" every night but 3/4 of his show is a rehashing of the same old news stories that every other journalist with a show has already beat to death, i.e. Natalie Hollaway, Micahel Jackson the Pedophile, Scott Peterson and his new bride, the Iraq war, htat hot chick that boned her students, blah, blah.... same ol' shiznit every night. Then Hannity does it, then gretta does it. And during the day Shep does it, John Snow, Neil Cohen does it, etc. I think you get the point. Oh, and switch the channel to see something different and guess what? The other media outlets do the same thing WITH THE SAME STORIES: MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, etc. The media doesn't really care about the plight of the common man, and oreilly aint' any different. I use to think he was, but after hundreds of emails I can tell you he's not.

Now, that said, I also sent him transcripts of the DL BK ocurt proceedings and news reports about NW insiders selling their stock 3 weeks before filing CH 11. Not to mention all the other corruption played out by NW mgmt. I was hoping to get him involved in our fight. Again, not even a form reply from him. Hell, at least the White House sends me a form reply. Oreilly? Can't be bothered.

Good Luck. Great Idea on paper though.

Oh, btw: Bill just wants you to join his website. Perhaps if you do that maybe he will reply. Again, I like Bill Oreilly, but he's just as selfish as every politician and lawyer out there.