Hey Guys! I have an idea of how to expose management, and have somone fight for us

[Ace757]

Call this a long shot, but how many of you ever watch Bill Oreilly on Fox News. He is all about sticking up for people that have been, or being wronged. He likes to expose people for what they are, and send them down in blazes. He won't stop until the offender has been destroyed. SO HERE IS WHAT WE DO.!!!! everyone e-mail Oreilly with what is going on with the airlines, 50% pay cuts, outsourcing to 21 year old riddle grads with 100k in debt, lost pensions, dreams shattered and so on. Talk about the draconian tactics used by management, and what there bonuses are, and how much they get paid. Tell him how they have sent this industry into the ground. I GUAREENTEE THAT WITHIN A WEEK HE WILL HAVE DONE RESEARH ON THE MATTER, AND HE WILL HAVE STARTED TO BRING PEOPLE ON TO DEBATE IT/ CALL ON SOMONE TO DO SOMETHING. He is very powerful. You should see what he has done to judges, and lots of corporations are scared of him. His big thing now is stores not using the word Christmas. IM TELLING YOU, THIS MAN CAN GET THINGS DONE. HE ACTS LIKE HE IS GOD. this would also be a good time for some Mesaba pilots to step up and tell there story about a 17% pay cut on $20,000 a year, and having to pay your 24,000 training contract after being furloughed. LAUGH AT ME IF YOU WANT, BUT YOU DON"T KNOW UNTIL YOU TRY. people are going to jump on me saying that no one cares about pilots yada yada yada. Well gents, whats going on now in the industry is just plane criminal. Give it a shot, it could bring some very bad press on management.

YOU CAN E-MAIL HIM HERE: [email protected]

Remember……name and town if you wish to opine

 

[Green]

please humor me and name one time Bill Oreily, or anyone on Fox News, has stood up for union members. Don't you get it, Bill is probably 100% behind those paycuts. Who says airline pilots should make 6 figures and have half the month off? Do you know of a guy named Rupert Murdoch? Ownes Fox News among other things. He DESPISES labor....If you want a sympathetic ear email Lou Dobbs, CNN. He actually seems to give a sh%t about workers.

 

[pilotyip]

Here is another great idea, all the pilots get together and start an airline that screws managment and takes great care of its pilots.

 

[freightdogfred]

Here is another great idea, all the pilots get together and start an airline that screws managment and takes great care of its pilots.

Hey Yip, your 24/7 beeper's ringing, one of your pilots quit to go fly at a decent job, and they need you to fly his trip. Ya got 25 minutes to get to the airport.

PS How much would it cost me to charter a Falcon on Christmas morning?
I want to fly a load of Horse$hit from Mke to Yip, and I want the crew prepositioned the night before. Oh, and I want YOU to fly the trip as well...

Anybody here want to chip in on the charter?

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

oh, and while you're at it, be sure to bring up the spiked hair, ipods and backpacks

thank you

 

[mar]

Two lost causes in one day.

He is all about sticking up for people that have been, or being wronged. He likes to expose people for what they are, and send them down in blazes. He won't stop until the offender has been destroyed.

Even John McCain, the cool Republican, hates airline pilots.

Face it. You're skrued.

 

[Phaedrus]

Ace: please.

 

[Ace757]

I knew i was going to get this kind of response from you people. Do you watch Oreilly? Aparently not! Im an avid watcher and this is the kinda stuff he lives for. Tell him the mesaba sob story. It will work.

EVERY ONE ON THIS BOARD LISTEN UP.........EITHER TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE ARE CURRENT PROBLEMS, OR QUIT YOUR WHINNING AND BIT$$ING.

All I hear everyday on here is oh my god what has happened to my career, my life is over, everyone hates me, but I don't see any of you try to solve your situation. You guys are like batered wives......you just keep on coming back for more punishment after being beaten. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD......try someting to fix the problem

This idea may work.....YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU TRY.

But your responses are going to go something like this:

Poor me.....nothing I can do will help change anything. I will just be lazy and not try anything, and crawl in my hole, and hopefully management won't rape me too bad.

You guys are smart educated people....STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES

There is not other industry in the world where the wages fluctuate this much. 40-50% come on....thats a crime.

OH....and if you have something negative to say about my post than do not respond. I don't want to be lectured by whinners that will not stand up and fight for there livelyhoods.

 

[Ace757]

Oh....and Im Not Done!!

Whats this post "Enough is Enough" well aparently its not. You guys arent going to do anything to show management that it is enough. What is this.....Flightinfo therapy. I bet you all feel better to say enough is enough....and we need a a nation wide walk out yada yada yada.....but I don't see anyone organizing anything. Are you holding informatin sessions on your walk out? Are you working the media? Are you even telling management to shove it?? yea....thats what I thought. Lets just keep complaining about our lives on a message board that no one sees, and everything will be ok. WAKE UP!!! Jesus people. I thought you were professionals. If you act like batered wives your going to be treated like a battered wife.

 

[Ty Webb]

PS How much would it cost me to charter a Falcon on Christmas morning?
I want to fly a load of Horse$hit from Mke to Yip, and I want the crew prepositioned the night before. Oh, and I want YOU to fly the trip as well...

Anybody here want to chip in on the charter?

Might as well mix in some toys or something you can donate to charity and make the trip a tax write-off!

 

[RichardRambone]

My brother emailed Greta Van Sustren about that white girl that was missing in Aruba. He emailed her and ripped her for not reporting on some black chic that was pregnant and missing and how that was such bs and called her a
b!tch. Unfortunately he sent it from his law firm which has those disclaimers on the bottom of the email. No sh!t, she CALLED the boss of the law firm and was outraged at how one of his workers had time to email hate letters to her. Guess what, he got FIRED over it. So I agree totally with Ace in that if we all sent some emails out to someone maybe they will listen. Im for it.

 

[maru657]

Don't ask people to join your army when you haven't even figured out who the enemy is. That's like looking for Bin laudin in Iraq. Falafal indeed!

 

[Ace757]

Ok so Richard is on board.......Do I have any other PROFESSIONAL PILOTS that are ready to stand up for themselves?

 

[RichardRambone]

Maybe if we got a sample letter together, like AOPA did for pilots to email the Congress about the TFR's over D.C., we could have pilots write their own stories or use a sample to send out professional type emails.

 

[Candide]

Bill O'Reilly is a factually challenged, egomanical bully.

If enlisting his advocacy is the last, best chance to save this industry, I think I finally will look up the number to that truck driving school.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I prefer Chris Mathews. He has a sharper intellect.

O'Reilly sounds like an arrogant longshoreman.

 

[CA1900]

Call this a long shot, but how many of you ever watch Bill Oreilly on Fox News.

Thanks, I had quite enough of of him when he was hosting the deplorable "Inside Edition." He hasn't improved much since then.

The man's a poor journalist, who plays fast and loose with the facts to further his own agenda. You're nuts if you think he'll be the knight in shining armor for working pilots.

 

[Skank]

How about we get the vacuous Fox and Friends morning team to stand up to those bully airline execs. That'd teach 'em. You weren't really serious, were you?

 

[GoingHot]

I prefer Chris Mathews.

If you like Anti-America Socialist -- Good choice.

 

[AcroChik]

The problem is, that any media pesonality that can pass the "loyal American capitalist according to the neo-con sniff test," isn't gonna give a hoot about your problems.

And, the fact is that you wouldn't vote for anyone who doesn't pass the "loyal American according to the neo-con sniff test."

We're all members of the Billionaires For Bush club. "Don't tax wealth, tax work!" And so we've all written our own fates at the ballot box.

PS: I don't watch that pinko clown either. But at least he cares about labor.

 

[AcroChik]

Sorry, double post.

 

[pilotyip]

Reality check, this is still a great job, where else can a high school graduate make close to $100K per year by the time he is in his mid-30's. With a little luck getting hired at AirTran Jet Blue, it is an even greater job making in the $125-$150 range.

 

[Falconjet]

Lets see, the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB are places that come to mind for me. I wonder how many of them are on a website complaining that they make too much money and should just play their sport because they like to.

FJ

 

[Ace757]

He fights for people who can't help themselves, and who have been taken advantage of. I think that pretty much somes up pilots these days.

 

[banger]

He fights for people who can't help themselves, and who have been taken advantage of. I think that pretty much somes up pilots these days.

I like your idea.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I like the idea Ace but you forget one thing....the flying public doesn't give a rats ass about pilot pay. Even if you get O'reilly on our side it won't matter. The average passenger wants cheap fares and thats it. Until these 300 hour riddle wonders start making smoking holes in the ground it won't matter to the flying public who is in the cockpit or how much they make.

 

[Ace757]

You just have to see this man work! I have watched him for a long time, and he has turned very small things into big things. Take the whole saying Merry Christmas thing. He has single handedly scared all of corp. America to start saying it. He has conducted polls, and has urged people not to shop at places that say Happy Holidays. He has the # 1 news show in the country 100's of millions watch him every night world wide. He not only thinks, but he knows he has the power to shake things up in America. YOUR TELLING ME THAT IF SOMEONE BROUGHT THE MESABA STORY TO HIM ABOUT FO'S MAKING $18,000 A YEAR HAVING TO TAKE A 17% PAY CUT, AND THE ONE'S THAT THEY FURLOUGH HAVING TO PAY A $24,000 TRAINING CONTRACT, AND HE WOULDNT HELP THEM......YOUR NUTS! This is how his program thrives. Just tell him about how much money these 18k FO's spent to get to that point, and what kinda salaries, and bonuses executives make. He will try to bring the CEO on the program, and if he declines......Oreilly will call him on it, and humiliate him on live TV. You know this would happen. The Mesaba story is defiantly a good start. and if you want to get into outsourcing.....that would be good too. Or hey......I got another one.......Talk about that ex Delta CFO who is going to court to keep her first class travel benefits. Im telling you guys......this could work. AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME ONE MORE TIME THAT OREILLY DOESN'T CARE, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T CARE, FOX IS CONSERVATIVE...YADA YADA YADA......GIVE IT A TRY! WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE AT THIS POINT.

 

[mar]

You'll keep us posted, I'm sure.

Since you've already sent off your email (I'm sure) please promise to let us know what kind of response you get.

Good luck, we're all counting on you.

 

[Ace757]

I will definatly send him an e-mail if thats what it takes. BUT, I think it would be more meaningful from some of you that have actually lost something. I HAVEN'T, so I looses some credibility when the only thing I can say that i might loose is my Delta S2's. Please guys...those of you with Mesaba, Comair, Delta, United, USAIR, and espicially NORTHWEST. YES ESPICIALLY NORTHWEST, please send him an e-mail. He will contact you, possibly as you on the show, you can tell your sob story, he will belittle the management ....END OF STORY

 

[kaisersose]

Reality check, this is still a great job, where else can a high school graduate make close to $100K per year by the time he is in his mid-30's. With a little luck getting hired at AirTran Jet Blue, it is an even greater job making in the $125-$150 range.

Don't hold your standards so low. Electricians, plumbers and general contractors to name a few easily can make that much. A family member of mine makes much more than that collecting tickets on a train. A $100k sounds like allot but today it is not. If you live in NYC you might be considered lower middle class at $100k. Used to be pilots for majors were upper middle or rich. If you are happy with less and less then get ready for less and less. I know times have changed with 9/11 and LCCs but if you lower your expectations for pay then management will certainly meet your expectations. Then my company will expect me to accept your expectations. Also used to be a Captain making $125/hr top pay in todays dollars meant he had a couple violations and a DUI or two when he got hired.

Reality Check-wait until you make that $100g and think wow that's a 100% more than I made at $50g and I only take home 30% more. Those upper tax brackets will really make you hate the politicians when they say any one over 50gs is rich.