Hey Guys! I have an idea of how to expose management, and have somone fight for us

[pilotyip]

Again back to reality, only on a pilot board would someone say that $100k/yr is lowered standards. Yes Electricans, etc make that much money in big cities, good for them, if you want to make that much as a plumber, become a plumber. My brother-in-law, a high school grad, runs a muffler shop, makes over $200K/yr. But none of these guys fly airplanes and that is why you come into this profession.

 

[GoingHot]

No correlation between aviation and pro sports.

Lets see, the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB are places that come to mind for me. I wonder how many of them are on a website complaining that they make too much money and should just play their sport because they like to.
FJ

I'm pretty sure PILOTYIP was talking about "regular people". How many people in the U.S. can consistently throw a baseball @ 90 knots across a little piece of rubber? Maybe 11 or 12 total. ANYBODY CAN FLY AN AIRPLANE, which results in an over-supply of airplane drivers. Combine that with the fact that most pilots who love flying will take a $50k flying job over a $100k job sitting at a desk. And then there's SJS.

Pilots will continue to B!itch, (thats what we do), but we will have to accept the fact that things have changed in this industry. But PILOTYIP's still has a valid point. Aviation can still be a career where you can make a solid middle to upper middle class income, and at the same time, enjoy what you do.

 

[Ace757]

Again back to reality, only on a pilot board would someone say that $100k/yr is lowered standards. Yes Electricans, etc make that much money in big cities, good for them, if you want to make that much as a plumber, become a plumber. My brother-in-law, a high school grad, runs a muffler shop, makes over $200K/yr. But none of these guys fly airplanes and that is why you come into this profession.

pilotyip: Right now im mainly aiming towards the regional guys. This is where it all starts. So your saying its ok for a professional pilot making 18K to take a 17% pay cut? Man....you must be insane. But anyway, If that pilot takes a pay cut than the major guys will have to take one too to compete. Any YES.....100k/yr is a hidious wage for a major pilot flying a 777. u can't defend it yip. it takes somone 30 years of hard work to get to the 777 for like a year before they retire. MOST DO NOT MAKE IT,

 

[Draginass]

The American public doesn't give a rat's fart about airline pilots or airline workers, OR UNIONS. They hate the airlines and the news media stirs that up for ratings. Most workers in the country are NOT union and have the stereotyped image of a lazy overpaid bum. Look at NW. They totally defeated the mechanics union and replaced them with Scabs. Any outcry from NW passengers? Heck no. They DON"T CARE, as long as the airplane doesn't crash. Heck, the pilots don't even care. They've got their own problems facing the NW buzzsaw.

Bill O'Reilly care about airlines unions? He cares about RATINGS and selling his children's indoctrination books. You watch. GM and Ford are going to screw tens of thousands of unionized workers, and the American public will say "screw the unions" and merrily drive off to Walmart in their Hondas.

If airline unions are going to get the attention of managements, they're going to have to SHUT AN AIRLINE DOWN, PERMANENTLY.

 

[Ace757]

The American public doesn't give a rat's fart about airline pilots or airline workers, OR UNIONS. They hate the airlines and the news media stirs that up for ratings. Most workers in the country are NOT union and have the stereotyped image of a lazy overpaid bum. Look at NW. They totally defeated the mechanics union and replaced them with Scabs. Any outcry from NW passengers? Heck no. They DON"T CARE, as long as the airplane doesn't crash. Heck, the pilots don't even care. They've got their own problems facing the NW buzzsaw.

Bill O'Reilly care about airlines unions? He cares about RATINGS and selling his children's indoctrination books. You watch. GM and Ford are going to screw tens of thousands of unionized workers, and the American public will say "screw the unions" and merrily drive off to Walmart in their Hondas.

If airline unions are going to get the attention of managements, they're going to have to SHUT AN AIRLINE DOWN, PERMANENTLY.

All I hear from you guys is he won't, he does not care, why waste your time, and so forth. WELL HAS ANYONE TRIED? EVER HERE OF NOTHING VENTURED, NOTHING GAINED? IF YOU ASK YOU SHALL RECIEVE? guess not hugh. Well lets just keep whinnig and feeling sorry for ourselves again.

 

[Ace757]

MY NWA Rant

Ok......is it just me or are the NWA pilots the biggest bunch of panzys in the industry. They are like the whipping boy from back in the day. Yes'm Sir, can I have another?? They have absolutly NO BALLS. You will take whatever NWA management gives you. WAKE UP AND SEE THEY WANT YOU GONE. ALL OF YOU!!! first they start with the DC-9 outsourcing, than hey....as long as they are getting people to fly these for $40 an hr, how about 757's. I bet we could get somone to fly them for $42.50. And how about those 747's. I bet there are some riddle grads that would PAY to fly that.

By NWA pilots giving in, they are ending there own careers. BYE BYE GUYS! HELLO NEWCO!! If you are so lucky to work there you will be flying as FO for some 23 year old.

Hey NWA guys.....im not trying to bash you.....its nothing personal. But I am being harsh with you because you deserve it. You need help. SELF HELP.

 

[Phaedrus]

DUDE, GIVE IT A REST! and quit typing in all caps and use a spell checker. I think you'd be better off starting a Bill O'Reilly fan club. Sheesh. I THINK WE SHOULD CALL AL SHARPTON AND GET HIM TO BRING OUR PLIGHT TO THE PUBLIC!

 

[Ace757]

If you don't like it, don't read it! You have an option of what threads to view. I think im doing you all a favor here. This whole board is filled with a bunch of cry babies without any balls.

Either put up, or shut up!

None of this oh woe as me bull

 

[Phaedrus]

'nuff said...at least about the spell checker part.
Whoa as me!

Either put up, or shut up!

Go for the latter.

 

[whymeworry?]

While I will agree that hammering oreilly with thousands of emails MIGHT get his attention, I am still doubtful those of us on this board could do anything to pique his interests regarding the corportate terrorism that plagues our industry.

I email bill all the time about regarding stories of ill children who need to raise money for expensive surgery. I do this hoping to help these kids get some attention to their story to help them out, and I never tell this kids I am doing this. Not even a form reply from bill or his staff! I like Bill, but he is selfish like the rest of the media. He takes a few moments to "fight for the common man" every night but 3/4 of his show is a rehashing of the same old news stories that every other journalist with a show has already beat to death, i.e. Natalie Hollaway, Micahel Jackson the Pedophile, Scott Peterson and his new bride, the Iraq war, htat hot chick that boned her students, blah, blah.... same ol' shiznit every night. Then Hannity does it, then gretta does it. And during the day Shep does it, John Snow, Neil Cohen does it, etc. I think you get the point. Oh, and switch the channel to see something different and guess what? The other media outlets do the same thing WITH THE SAME STORIES: MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, etc. The media doesn't really care about the plight of the common man, and oreilly aint' any different. I use to think he was, but after hundreds of emails I can tell you he's not.

Now, that said, I also sent him transcripts of the DL BK ocurt proceedings and news reports about NW insiders selling their stock 3 weeks before filing CH 11. Not to mention all the other corruption played out by NW mgmt. I was hoping to get him involved in our fight. Again, not even a form reply from him. Hell, at least the White House sends me a form reply. Oreilly? Can't be bothered.

Good Luck. Great Idea on paper though.

Oh, btw: Bill just wants you to join his website. Perhaps if you do that maybe he will reply. Again, I like Bill Oreilly, but he's just as selfish as every politician and lawyer out there.

 

[Ace757]

How about we pay visits to our Senators??

 

[Captain Overs]

Ace,

Bill is a freaking idiot! I find it funny that he's on this Xmas kick and then there was an advertisement for his products and they were listed as "Holiday" gifts. MSNBC callled him out and then Fox quickly changed it. Do you know how accurate Bill is? Have you ever heard even a broken clock is right twice a day? Nobody give Bill any credibility and if you think they do you're mistaken. I can't believe you're that worked up over it. Get a life.

 

[pilotyip]

I am not talking about the 18K guys, that is low, but it is a starting pay and no one forced into the job with a gun at their head. The $100K figure is a far shot from $18K. Only 5% of the people watching Bill make more than that, there will be very little public support for people making$100K+./yr working only 17-18 days per month. That is the reality. About the 777, any professional pilot properly trained could fly the 777 if an upstart airline decided to start flying it. Again that is reality, anyone can do this job with a touch of skill and desire. Again that is reality. But we do not deal witih reality on the site.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

YOur Kidding me right... you mean Nazi News.. yes, this news channel is nothing more than propaganda from the Nazi (oh i meant republican) party... Yes, I compare Bush to Hitler invading other countries when they didnt threaten him.

 

[Crash Pad]

I agree with contacting Bill. Once the public hears about the problems being faced in Peachtree City GA and Edina MN... The outcry will be unbearable. I'm picturing a nation wide flight embargo for the holidays. People will be forced to only fly airlines with fair pay... or equal pay for equal work or one in which management doesn't treat the contract as a grab bag.

 

[pilotyip]

crashpad, again out of touch with reality

 

[GoingHot]

I agree with contacting Bill. Once the public hears about the problems being faced in Peachtree City GA and Edina MN... The outcry will be unbearable. I'm picturing a nation wide flight embargo for the holidays. People will be forced to only fly airlines with fair pay... or equal pay for equal work or one in which management doesn't treat the contract as a grab bag.

:laugh:

 

[CA1900]

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/FAUXNews.jpg

 

[Flopgut]

Ace: You're all mach and no direction. Thats OK though, at least you are something.

Maybe better to try something like this: Have ALPA call for a wholesale managment change at all ALPA carriers. Every single management team at ALPA/legacy carriers should go. There is plenty of evidence to support this idea. The target audience is Wall street and shareholders. The only thing they hate more than labor is losing money. And these clowns running our carriers sure know how to lose money! The only thing they know how to do is beat the crap out of labor which creates the illusion that they are doing something good for investors. ALPA needs to illustrate this to investors and Wall Street. Show the labor cost advantages that are now part of the UAL contract and quantify the monetary give backs that DALALPA has given (two examples), then insist we need to know what these managements did with the money.

ALPA needs to push future policies from the outside. For instance, we need to have a variety of merger intergration scenarios already in place before they become reality. That way, management's ability to pit one group against another is moot.

If ALPA will not do this, or listen to us, we need to replace ALPA. We may already have reached that need.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

How about putting a bunch of whinning Delta pilots on Oprah along with Ty Webb. The Delta pilots can bitch about only making $100,000 a year and Ty can brag about it. Sounds good to me.

 

[maru657]

O'Liely would care about the working conditions of U.S. pilots about as much as he cares for the problems of servicemen in Iraq. Never count on a ChickenHawk to support veterans. Chris Mathews is more concerned with his 5 million doller home on the beach in Cape Cod than taking on a major industrial power, especially when he works for someone just like them and his fat salery depends on him keeping them happy. Limbaugh just wants more hillybilly herion and Scarbrough wants another good looking young intern to waste. Give me Imus anyday.

 

[pilotyip]

flopgut what a great idea, you should form a team to go out and find the new management talent needed to bring back the "good ole days", talk them into working for the same wages you do, work with them to build the perfect airline, then go to the stockholders and show how much more money their stock will be worth with the new managment team your group has put together. It is a win win for everybody except the present managment.

 

[Ace757]

I really didn't mean for this to be a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Think what you want of Oreilly, but he has the # 1 news show in the world, and thats a fact.

Alright....so you guys seem not to like that idea, but we need to do something. Complaining on this board about what has happened to this industry won't help anything. We must take action. For gods sake, lets do something. If ALPA is not representing you, kick them off of your property and form something else.

My big problem with all of this is US (the pilots). We let ourselves get beaten down time after time without standing up for ourselves. if some guy came up to you and decked you in the face would you say "I must have deserved it.....thank you very much sir.....I will go crawl in my whole now." NOOOOO!!! You would beat his ass. So start acting like men people.

 

[Metro752]

Stern was on O'Reilly and they got along.

 

[Captain Overs]

Who says he's number one in the world? Oh, I'm sure he does or the Faux network and we all know we can believe everything they say. "Fair and balannced". Next your going to tell me we were justified invading Iraq.

 

[GoingHot]

Give me Imus anyday.

I thought he was dead? Oh!, my bad, he just looks dead.

 

[Brett Hull]

...Only 5% of the people watching Bill [O'Reilly] make more than that....

And the other 95% have better things to do than sit in front of the TV and scream "Yea Bill! Get 'em!"

 

[GogglesPisano]

If O'Reilly turns the idea down, I recommend trying Ann Coulter. She's much more level-headed and fits in quite nicely with the Fox team. She may even goose-step in with her SS uniform.

And there's always that bastion of journalistic integrity known as Geraldo.

 

[CA1900]

I really didn't mean for this to be a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Think what you want of Oreilly, but he has the # 1 news show in the world, and thats a fact.

McDonald's is the most popular restaurant in the world. Do you honestly believe that's because it's the best? Of course not. It's tasty, easy to get, and comes in a colorful package. But afterwards, you feel sick to your stomach for having consumed it. It's a lot like watching O'Reilly, really.

 

[mar]

Listen up Joey

So start acting like men people.

You're an RJ FO. You're pretty new to the scene.

If you had any hair on your balls at all you'd have already suffered two or three furloughs.

They're a fact in this industry. Inevitable. The stupid pilot is never prepared for the furlough and then screams bloody murder.

If you had been around long enough you'd realize the damage done to this industry has been systemic and suffered over many years.

It's something that can't be changed by some impulsive silly reaction. It's like a compulsive over eater who's gone on a diet.

It's taken years to get this fat and it'll take many years to loose it and get back in shape.

Good luck.