Hey delta guys

[JUNK YARD DOG]

Heard a rumor the other day, that there is a petition for a vote to kick ALPA to the curb, and replace with in house union.... Any truth to this? If this is true, and does happen, it would look real bad for Moak..

 

[LearLove]

http://www.delta-pilots.org/

 

[General Lee]

Heard a rumor the other day, that there is a petition for a vote to kick ALPA to the curb, and replace with in house union.... Any truth to this? If this is true, and does happen, it would look real bad for Moak..

The DPA was grown out of frustration. There are a few thousand members now (out of 12K pilots), and it seems to be growing, slowly. I don't know if it will survive, but I think it has caught the eye of ALPA and DALPA, and they do need to realize that they (DALPA) need to focus on the DL pilots' careers and enhancements, and not the RJ pilots'.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

The DPA was grown out of frustration. There are a few thousand members now (out of 12K pilots), and it seems to be growing, slowly. I don't know if it will survive, but I think it has caught the eye of ALPA and DALPA, and they do need to realize that they (DALPA) need to focus on the DL pilots' careers and enhancements, and not the RJ pilots'.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Typical DALPA response. I've never seen the conflict of interest -
Maybe if delta would stop selling all their flying out- there wouldn't be multiple groups to represent. Look in the mirror on that General- take a good look at the source of your problems.

 

[redflyer65]

(DALPA) need to focus on the DL pilots' careers and enhancements, and not the RJ pilots'.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Now that's funny. Good luck with that..

 

[jynxyjericho]

Absolutely

Delta drops ALPA, the other majors fall off as well. ALPA is simply left as a legal office which everyone still uses. ALPA national can't afford to continue running with income from the regionals, the regionals are forced to either give up considerably more of their income to ALPA, or drop them. Since regional guys are broke to begin with, they drop ALPA.

1 year later, a new wave of outsourcing begins, unity is completely dead (not just on life support like it is now), scope is relaxed once again for bigger raises.

5 years later, Delta guys still blame the RJ pilots for all their problems, RJ pilots step up to Airbus 320's and 737's.

20 years later, Mainline anything is gone, RJ pilots do their best to rebuilt the union, try not to make the mistakes of the past, things are so terrible we finally subscribe to a national seniority list.

50 years later, things are almost back to what they were in '00. Gen-2k sells out scope for bigger raises, destroys everything worked for so far.

Rinse repeat

Delta, drop ALPA at the peril of us all. We either hang together, or we shall hang separately.

 

[clippyrip]

Delta drops ALPA, the other majors fall off as well. ALPA is simply left as a legal office which everyone still uses. ALPA national can't afford to continue running with income from the regionals, the regionals are forced to either give up considerably more of their income to ALPA, or drop them. Since regional guys are broke to begin with, they drop ALPA.

1 year later, a new wave of outsourcing begins, unity is completely dead (not just on life support like it is now), scope is relaxed once again for bigger raises.

5 years later, Delta guys still blame the RJ pilots for all their problems, RJ pilots step up to Airbus 320's and 737's.

20 years later, Mainline anything is gone, RJ pilots do their best to rebuilt the union, try not to make the mistakes of the past, things are so terrible we finally subscribe to a national seniority list.

50 years later, things are almost back to what they were in '00. Gen-2k sells out scope for bigger raises, destroys everything worked for so far.

Rinse repeat

Delta, drop ALPA at the peril of us all. We either hang together, or we shall hang separately.

Scare tactics. So much fun to listen to!

 

[clippyrip]

Typical DALPA response. I've never seen the conflict of interest -
Maybe if delta would stop selling all their flying out- there wouldn't be multiple groups to represent. Look in the mirror on that General- take a good look at the source of your problems.

That was not a DALPA response at all.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Dropping ALPO is a great idea

 

[Full of LUV]

Dropping ALPO is a great idea

Really, is that your reasoning.... because you like to make fun of the name? Really, would there be anything close to it to replace it, or is each group really only to think only about themselves without even a national union or org that ties the majority of pilots together.
ALPA thrown out may not be armageddon immediately, but over time, there would be much less cooperation and coordination of the individual unions. Each would do what they had to do to survive and potentially thrive, including the regionals. If you don't think the RAH pilots wouldn't accept flying a 320 at their RJ rates, your nuts. Just look at the Skywest pilots, size doesn't matter, at least for pay.

OK, back to calling them ALPO, what's funny is ALPA is whoever is elected from your pilot group to run the LEC and MEC. Do you have a beef with ALPA national or your own pilot group Raoul?