Hey delta guys

[clippyrip]

What unity? ALPA is an association of independent unions. Half of which have a conflict of interest with the other half.

 

[generaltso]

The bottom line is, regardless of DPA or DALPA/ALPA, it's up to the Delta Pilots to hold the line on scope.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Clippy, then you do not understand one of the basic tenants of unionism. Reality is, if we divide in to fractured independents, things will not go well for the profession. The simple reason the grass appears greener at the independents is twofold. First, is you are looking at the last five year, not the entire history, and two, many of these independents gain from the work ALPA has done.

APA and Dave Bates see the benefit of working with ALPA, and I will venture to guess that some time in the no-so-distant future other independents will as well.

 

[400ADude]

The bottom line is, regardless of DPA or DALPA/ALPA, it's up to the Delta Pilots to hold the line on scope.

Well they sure have done that haven't they.:laugh:

 

[clippyrip]

Clippy, then you do not understand one of the basic tenants of unionism. Reality is, if we divide in to fractured independents, things will not go well for the profession. The simple reason the grass appears greener at the independents is twofold. First, is you are looking at the last five year, not the entire history, and two, many of these independents gain from the work ALPA has done.

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

 

[Full of LUV]

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

Maybe not united on scope, but maybe even a majority of RJ pilots realize that holding the line on scope is important for the future of the profession and pay rates.

ALPA will be there in a united front when Air India or Russia propose a new regional airline based in the US that will pay pilots $50 per day plus housing and argue for the immigration of such pilots because of the lack of US pilots (willing to do the job for that much).
Scope is but one threat to the industry, albeit the one that has taken the biggest chunk over the last 15 years.

And before I hear the "it can't happen because of foreign ownership laws or cabotage", who do you think has the most vested in keeping those laws?
Also, I know the chinese, Indians, and russians are short of qualified pilots now, but if the steady cash is there, don't you think with over 3billion people to pull from they might be able to find a few thousand 12 yr olds to spend the next 10 years immersed in aviation and english? The threat is out there, many other industries have been outsourced, and not just to cheaper americans.

 

[Full of LUV]

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

ALPA needs to better explain to the RJ drivers that bigger aircraft is not their answer, more pay and benefits and work rules for the ones they are currently flying is the key. Make the regional industry much closer to the mainline they serve in terms of labor treatment.

 

[PapaWoody]

DPA is a joke....Plain and simple....No alternative other than "We can do better!".....yeah, sure pal...

Born from some crybaby 01 hire F/O who thinks he got screwed.

No plan, no new ideas, no vote from me.......

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

 

[outsidethecloud]

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

I don't remember any major airline manager or pilot ever coming to us lowly regional folks and giving us a vote to relax your scope!! And no I don't want bigger aircraft at the regionals. When I grew up, majors flew a 34 seat turboprop.

 

[ExAF]

1999 Hire

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides.

He's actually a 1999 hire and is not a crybaby. PW's right...he really is one of the good guys irregardless of how you feel about ALPA/DALPA OR DPA.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

Don't talk about my friend that way....Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Go send DPA some of your hard earned money, they need all the help they can get with a lawfirm like Seham behind them. Frank Lorenzo is real proud of you morons!

:crying::crying:

 

[jynxyjericho]

So if DPA gets in are THEY going to hold the line with scope?

"7. Freedom to take back flying without fear of lawsuits from the regional carriers who share membership in ALPA with us."

Sounds like a lot of crybaby crap to me.

Well whatever, looks like the regionals will be around for a long time to come. Thanks guys.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

Hey Woody....

I don't care if he's your Dad......

You want to cut out a "Cancer" then you need to be a Doctor. Plain and simple. This clown acts like he knows a thing or two about ALPA and I bet he couldn't find Herndon let alone his own MEC office. This is pure amateur hour and you can join him.....when you are done you can run down to South Beach and give out free BJs so you can get your dignity back.

Call me what you like but I know when money is wasted and sending him money is something I could have given to a good charity instead.

 

[PapaWoody]

Hey Woody....

I don't care if he's your Dad......

You want to cut out a "Cancer" then you need to be a Doctor. Plain and simple. This clown acts like he knows a thing or two about ALPA and I bet he couldn't find Herndon let alone his own MEC office. This is pure amateur hour and you can join him.....when you are done you can run down to South Beach and give out free BJs so you can get your dignity back.

Call me what you like but I know when money is wasted and sending him money is something I could have given to a good charity instead.

I would reference this as even more proof that you're a jackass, but it's unnecessary. Kind of like saying we need more proof that the sun is gonna come up in the East. Good luck with your next bankruptcy/furlough.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thanks for the sentiments....you are acting like his garbage alternative to ALPA, just poke holes and make accusations but never have a sane argument or solution....

I'm done with you pal....OBTW...Your buddy will be WELL ahead of me in the BK furlough line.....but I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

Don't talk about my friend that way....Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Go send DPA some of your hard earned money, they need all the help they can get with a lawfirm like Seham behind them. Frank Lorenzo is real proud of you morons!

:crying::crying:

You got it Scope....just tools for the Lorenzo crowd playing into their hands with promises of super-great things when he takes over......

DPA=DOA.....nothing to see here people.

 

[WayBack]

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

Exactly.
You have 5 different ALPA represented regionals flying all the same airframe for different pay.
These union brothers have all taken pay cuts to get more flying and bigger airplanes, all being taken away from their ALPA brothers at Mainline.
Now THAT'S UNITY!

 

[xjhawk]

The DPA was grown out of frustration. There are a few thousand members now (out of 12K pilots), and it seems to be growing, slowly. I don't know if it will survive, but I think it has caught the eye of ALPA and DALPA, and they do need to realize that they (DALPA) need to focus on the DL pilots' careers and enhancements, and not the RJ pilots'.


Bye Bye--General Lee

This is not a slam but reality. But when has DALPA not looked out for their own well being. Just a thank you from a guy who has been on the wrong end of a broken promise from DALPA's lack of support

 

[JAM-BRO]

An independent union and the downfall of ALPA is probably one of the dumbest things things this industry can do. Yes, ALPA has some warts, but at the end of the day unity of ALPA's level is needed for what is over the next hill or two. A group of independents will never have the power of ALPA. Plain and simple.

We cannot get the next events wrong, and trying to complete the power building of independents is not what we need to be focusing on.

ACL... I am surprissed by your defense of ALPA especially after what happened to you in Feb.... ALPA has a lot of issues. The cons are greater than the pros. Can DPA fix them? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL... I am surprissed by your defense of ALPA especially after what happened to you in Feb.... ALPA has a lot of issues. The cons are greater than the pros. Can DPA fix them? Maybe, maybe not.

What Happened to me? Really? Or profession and its defense is not about what is best for me, but what is best for all of us. No one should ever take anything personally, and I surely do not.

I defend ALPA because it has the best structure to defend our profession. Many people bring up issues with ALPA, but they all seem to be people issues. Of the ones that are structural in nature, all can be fixed with the mechanisms already in place. It just takes determination and effort.

If anything, DPA is taking an important check and balance out of the process. Frankly, with 2000 pilots, this group could organize and make effective change within the current structure. Why they have not thought of this is beyond me. DPA has some valid points. They could work though the process, and organization that has, bar none, the best chance of success and make it better. The idea of tearing down an organization is a last ditch effort, and many of the guys I know that support DPA, have never tried within the confines of ALPA. The whole idea just makes me very worried with everything that we have coming at us. Again, us as a profession, not me as a pilot or a volunteer.