Hey delta guys

[BILL LUMBERG]

DPA is a joke....Plain and simple....No alternative other than "We can do better!".....yeah, sure pal...

Born from some crybaby 01 hire F/O who thinks he got screwed.

No plan, no new ideas, no vote from me.......

 

[DGdaPilot]

Every property has an anti-whatever group. Even the APA has one. The one at Eagle is a joke too.

 

[waveflyer]

Wave,

Go peddle your anti-alpa crap on another board....don't you have some regional buddies you can go and circle-jerk?

I do have regional buddies- no desire to jerk any of them - circle method or not- and be careful- there are a lot of your brothers who had unanticipated RJ careers.

In this case though- I agree with you-
ALPAs not the problem- it's the individuals involved and their stupidity, greed, and short sightedness -
And the problem is guys like you who vote to outsource more flying for a penny and vote republican bc their well paid alpa contract gets taxed too much-
But I am a big alpa supporter- just think those at the top can and ought to do better

 

[Full of LUV]

The simple logical truth of the matter is that a single union cannot represent two separate groups within a single company when they are competing for the same work. Plain and simple...

One of the groups is going to lose. Explain to me how one union can honestly operate under the intent of doing the absolute very best for the group it represents under these circumstances?

I would agree in essence unless ALPA made it plainly clear in it's national platform that scope at 55/70 seats or whatever is non negotiable. If they are telling the regionals we'll help you get more flying and then telling the majors we're here to hold the line on scope, well of course that's conflict.

Ultimately though, regionals will always have wage pressure due to the constant RFI process and ability for the majors to easily switch flying around. In essence the regionals have absolutely no scope, not even a brand identity to protect.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

An independent union and the downfall of ALPA is probably one of the dumbest things things this industry can do. Yes, ALPA has some warts, but at the end of the day unity of ALPA's level is needed for what is over the next hill or two. A group of independents will never have the power of ALPA. Plain and simple.

We cannot get the next events wrong, and trying to complete the power building of independents is not what we need to be focusing on.

 

[clippyrip]

What unity? ALPA is an association of independent unions. Half of which have a conflict of interest with the other half.

 

[generaltso]

The bottom line is, regardless of DPA or DALPA/ALPA, it's up to the Delta Pilots to hold the line on scope.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Clippy, then you do not understand one of the basic tenants of unionism. Reality is, if we divide in to fractured independents, things will not go well for the profession. The simple reason the grass appears greener at the independents is twofold. First, is you are looking at the last five year, not the entire history, and two, many of these independents gain from the work ALPA has done.

APA and Dave Bates see the benefit of working with ALPA, and I will venture to guess that some time in the no-so-distant future other independents will as well.

 

[400ADude]

The bottom line is, regardless of DPA or DALPA/ALPA, it's up to the Delta Pilots to hold the line on scope.

Well they sure have done that haven't they.:laugh:

 

[clippyrip]

Clippy, then you do not understand one of the basic tenants of unionism. Reality is, if we divide in to fractured independents, things will not go well for the profession. The simple reason the grass appears greener at the independents is twofold. First, is you are looking at the last five year, not the entire history, and two, many of these independents gain from the work ALPA has done.

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

 

[Full of LUV]

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

Maybe not united on scope, but maybe even a majority of RJ pilots realize that holding the line on scope is important for the future of the profession and pay rates.

ALPA will be there in a united front when Air India or Russia propose a new regional airline based in the US that will pay pilots $50 per day plus housing and argue for the immigration of such pilots because of the lack of US pilots (willing to do the job for that much).
Scope is but one threat to the industry, albeit the one that has taken the biggest chunk over the last 15 years.

And before I hear the "it can't happen because of foreign ownership laws or cabotage", who do you think has the most vested in keeping those laws?
Also, I know the chinese, Indians, and russians are short of qualified pilots now, but if the steady cash is there, don't you think with over 3billion people to pull from they might be able to find a few thousand 12 yr olds to spend the next 10 years immersed in aviation and english? The threat is out there, many other industries have been outsourced, and not just to cheaper americans.

 

[Full of LUV]

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

ALPA needs to better explain to the RJ drivers that bigger aircraft is not their answer, more pay and benefits and work rules for the ones they are currently flying is the key. Make the regional industry much closer to the mainline they serve in terms of labor treatment.

 

[PapaWoody]

DPA is a joke....Plain and simple....No alternative other than "We can do better!".....yeah, sure pal...

Born from some crybaby 01 hire F/O who thinks he got screwed.

No plan, no new ideas, no vote from me.......

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

 

[outsidethecloud]

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

I don't remember any major airline manager or pilot ever coming to us lowly regional folks and giving us a vote to relax your scope!! And no I don't want bigger aircraft at the regionals. When I grew up, majors flew a 34 seat turboprop.

 

[ExAF]

1999 Hire

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides.

He's actually a 1999 hire and is not a crybaby. PW's right...he really is one of the good guys irregardless of how you feel about ALPA/DALPA OR DPA.