Hey delta guys

[Scope out RJ's]

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

Don't talk about my friend that way....Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Go send DPA some of your hard earned money, they need all the help they can get with a lawfirm like Seham behind them. Frank Lorenzo is real proud of you morons!

:crying::crying:

 

[jynxyjericho]

So if DPA gets in are THEY going to hold the line with scope?

"7. Freedom to take back flying without fear of lawsuits from the regional carriers who share membership in ALPA with us."

Sounds like a lot of crybaby crap to me.

Well whatever, looks like the regionals will be around for a long time to come. Thanks guys.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That crybaby 2000 hire F/O, Tim Caplinger, who just happens to be my best friend, is at least trying to do something about the cancer on the industry and Delta itself that is ALPA and their policy of playing on both sides. He doesn't think he got screwed, he knows he got screwed, and the rest of you too when ALPA started representing the regional airlines that are taking away your flying. It's not about any personal agenda, it's about making Delta a better place to work and Delta pilots looking after Delta pilots, not subsidizing regionals. If you knew the guy, you would know he is a selfless, motivated hard worker trying to improve his and your career. But since you don't know him, you badmouth him on an anonymous board. Further proof that you're an ***********************************.

PW

Hey Woody....

I don't care if he's your Dad......

You want to cut out a "Cancer" then you need to be a Doctor. Plain and simple. This clown acts like he knows a thing or two about ALPA and I bet he couldn't find Herndon let alone his own MEC office. This is pure amateur hour and you can join him.....when you are done you can run down to South Beach and give out free BJs so you can get your dignity back.

Call me what you like but I know when money is wasted and sending him money is something I could have given to a good charity instead.

 

[PapaWoody]

Hey Woody....

I don't care if he's your Dad......

You want to cut out a "Cancer" then you need to be a Doctor. Plain and simple. This clown acts like he knows a thing or two about ALPA and I bet he couldn't find Herndon let alone his own MEC office. This is pure amateur hour and you can join him.....when you are done you can run down to South Beach and give out free BJs so you can get your dignity back.

Call me what you like but I know when money is wasted and sending him money is something I could have given to a good charity instead.

I would reference this as even more proof that you're a jackass, but it's unnecessary. Kind of like saying we need more proof that the sun is gonna come up in the East. Good luck with your next bankruptcy/furlough.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thanks for the sentiments....you are acting like his garbage alternative to ALPA, just poke holes and make accusations but never have a sane argument or solution....

I'm done with you pal....OBTW...Your buddy will be WELL ahead of me in the BK furlough line.....but I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

Don't talk about my friend that way....Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Go send DPA some of your hard earned money, they need all the help they can get with a lawfirm like Seham behind them. Frank Lorenzo is real proud of you morons!

:crying::crying:

You got it Scope....just tools for the Lorenzo crowd playing into their hands with promises of super-great things when he takes over......

DPA=DOA.....nothing to see here people.

 

[WayBack]

Scare tactics are so much fun!


ALPA is an association of independent unions. We are not all one union with the same goal. That is a big problem. If one of the regionals in that association makes a gain such as bigger aircraft or more flying, that gain is made at the expense of the mainline it serves. And vise versa. Explain how unity will solve that problem.

Exactly.
You have 5 different ALPA represented regionals flying all the same airframe for different pay.
These union brothers have all taken pay cuts to get more flying and bigger airplanes, all being taken away from their ALPA brothers at Mainline.
Now THAT'S UNITY!

 

[xjhawk]

The DPA was grown out of frustration. There are a few thousand members now (out of 12K pilots), and it seems to be growing, slowly. I don't know if it will survive, but I think it has caught the eye of ALPA and DALPA, and they do need to realize that they (DALPA) need to focus on the DL pilots' careers and enhancements, and not the RJ pilots'.


Bye Bye--General Lee

This is not a slam but reality. But when has DALPA not looked out for their own well being. Just a thank you from a guy who has been on the wrong end of a broken promise from DALPA's lack of support

 

[JAM-BRO]

An independent union and the downfall of ALPA is probably one of the dumbest things things this industry can do. Yes, ALPA has some warts, but at the end of the day unity of ALPA's level is needed for what is over the next hill or two. A group of independents will never have the power of ALPA. Plain and simple.

We cannot get the next events wrong, and trying to complete the power building of independents is not what we need to be focusing on.

ACL... I am surprissed by your defense of ALPA especially after what happened to you in Feb.... ALPA has a lot of issues. The cons are greater than the pros. Can DPA fix them? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL... I am surprissed by your defense of ALPA especially after what happened to you in Feb.... ALPA has a lot of issues. The cons are greater than the pros. Can DPA fix them? Maybe, maybe not.

What Happened to me? Really? Or profession and its defense is not about what is best for me, but what is best for all of us. No one should ever take anything personally, and I surely do not.

I defend ALPA because it has the best structure to defend our profession. Many people bring up issues with ALPA, but they all seem to be people issues. Of the ones that are structural in nature, all can be fixed with the mechanisms already in place. It just takes determination and effort.

If anything, DPA is taking an important check and balance out of the process. Frankly, with 2000 pilots, this group could organize and make effective change within the current structure. Why they have not thought of this is beyond me. DPA has some valid points. They could work though the process, and organization that has, bar none, the best chance of success and make it better. The idea of tearing down an organization is a last ditch effort, and many of the guys I know that support DPA, have never tried within the confines of ALPA. The whole idea just makes me very worried with everything that we have coming at us. Again, us as a profession, not me as a pilot or a volunteer.

 

[JAM-BRO]

ACL, all I am saying is ALPA is unchangeable. In your case, there was another election where the ALPA "Boys Club" wanted to do their usual musical chairs routine and keep one of their own in a "position" as a "job well done" gift. Someone got a whiff of it and exposed the whole thing and described how it was gonna happen. Did the outing detract them??? No!! They went ahead and did it. Another "In your Face" maneuver within ALPA. Everything the MEC did was contrary to what had always been done. Held an early election, did not allow new MEC members to vote, etc.. Now we have a critical committee represented by 3 captains and no fo's. The comittee needed you. An unselfish rep, who puts the profession and the pilot group's interets first. Can you say the same for the CA that beat you by one vote? That being his own deciding vote!!! When I see these things happen, I lose faith in ALPA. You may be right about DPA not being able to fix our problems, but ALPA has to change from within and what surprises me most is that more pilots are not pushing for change.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL, all I am saying is ALPA is unchangeable. In your case, there was another election where the ALPA "Boys Club" wanted to do their usual musical chairs routine and keep one of their own in a "position" as a "job well done" gift. Someone got a whiff of it and exposed the whole thing and described how it was gonna happen. Did the outing detract them??? No!! They went ahead and did it. Another "In your Face" maneuver within ALPA. Everything the MEC did was contrary to what had always been done. Held an early election, did not allow new MEC members to vote, etc.. Now we have a critical committee represented by 3 captains and no fo's. The committee needed you. An unselfish rep, who puts the profession and the pilot group's interest first. Can you say the same for the CA that beat you by one vote? That being his own deciding vote!!! When I see these things happen, I lose faith in ALPA. You may be right about DPA not being able to fix our problems, but ALPA has to change from within and what surprises me most is that more pilots are not pushing for change.

Thank you for the kinds words. In the end it is about what is best for the gander and not this goose. That has always been my litmus test.

Let me state again, you have issues with the people in ALPA not the structure. If you have these issues, change the people. That seems to be happening abet slowly. The fact is that no one has really done a concerted effort within ALPA to change many of the gripes that you and DPA state. A resolution here or there is a good stress test to the willingness of the current reps, but it is not an end game. Focused effort is what is needed. If anything, use the angst that many people have and focus it in a direction that will have success. I have no issue with that and welcome it.

 

[Speedtape]

A question to ponder:

If ALPA, the collective bargaining agent for Delta pilots, is voted out, what then happens to the CBA that has a multi-year history of pattern bargaining and serves as the foundation of your professional pay and work rules?

Maybe, DPA should enlighten you on that, if they even know. Do you really want to start from square one?

ACL65 has the best idea. Harness the energy, and leverage a well defined agenda to force your MEC to work for you. They will listen to 2400 pilots who are all on the same page.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

A question to ponder:

If ALPA, the collective bargaining agent for Delta pilots, is voted out, what then happens to the CBA that has a multi-year history of pattern bargaining and serves as the foundation of your professional pay and work rules?

Maybe, DPA should enlighten you on that, if they even know. Do you really want to start from square one?

ACL65 has the best idea. Harness the energy, and leverage a well defined agenda to force your MEC to work for you. They will listen to 2400 pilots who are all on the same page.

I know the answer to that question.

To the statement: I have been saying that all along.

 

[JAM-BRO]

A question to ponder:

If ALPA, the collective bargaining agent for Delta pilots, is voted out, what then happens to the CBA that has a multi-year history of pattern bargaining and serves as the foundation of your professional pay and work rules?

Maybe, DPA should enlighten you on that, if they even know. Do you really want to start from square one?

ACL65 has the best idea. Harness the energy, and leverage a well defined agenda to force your MEC to work for you. They will listen to 2400 pilots who are all on the same page.

Our problems are not so much with DALPA, but also with National ALPA. Delta pilots put into ALPA's pot about $30M/yr in dues. Of that, we see maybe $10M in return in the way of benefits. The other $20M goes to subsidize the other groups that spend more than they put in. Something really wrong here. Maybe we should get a discount...