Hawaiian "Five O"

[Dan Roman]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hawaiian-Fly-Big-Apple-prnews-2869739776.html?x=0&l=1

 

[xjhawk]

very cool. Great article.

 

[SennaP1]

Congrats! Looking forward to "jumping" on it.

 

[Dan Roman]

Congrats! Looking forward to "jumping" on it.

Well if you get stuck up front and I'm flying we can debate who was better, Ayrton Senna or Jimmy Clark!

 

[dingo222]

good stuff. Another great move by Hawaiian! i look forward to catching a ride as well

 

[On Your Six]

Only Hawaiian can make money on that route. All of the legacies would lose money because most of the passengers are FF awards, which means free tickets. They could choose to restrict the number if FF seats, but that could anger those customers, so instead airlines like Delta route NYC passengers through ATL, SLC, LAX, and SFO. Hawaiian doesn't have many FFs in NYC, so if they want to go nonstop, they will have to pay. I know CAL (UAL) has a 764 from EWR nonstop too, and maybe it does well, or maybe it's just full of freebies.

Good for Hawaiian though, for exploiting a good route opportunity. Air Tahiti Nui used to fly an A340 from JFK to Tahiti nonstop, but that didn't last long. Here's to hoping Hawaiian has a successful launch.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[zonejumper]

Only Hawaiian can make money on that route. All of the legacies would lose money because most of the passengers are FF awards, which means free tickets. They could choose to restrict the number if FF seats, but that could anger those customers, so instead airlines like Delta route NYC passengers through ATL, SLC, LAX, and SFO. Hawaiian doesn't have many FFs in NYC, so if they want to go nonstop, they will have to pay. I know CAL (UAL) has a 764 from EWR nonstop too, and maybe it does well, or maybe it's just full of freebies.

Good for Hawaiian though, for exploiting a good route opportunity. Air Tahiti Nui used to fly an A340 from JFK to Tahiti nonstop, but that didn't last long. Here's to hoping Hawaiian has a successful launch.


Godspeed!


OYS

Agreed! The last two times I flew NY-HNL, i had to go JFK/ATL, ATL/HNL and several weeks ago was worse. Red-eye HNL/LAX, LAX/MSP, MSP/LGA. Not fun!

 

[dicko]

If you're living in NYC the choice would be obvious. HAL from JFK; Great service on a new A330 with a company that wants to welcome you to Hawaii.

EWR and CAL .... Nuff said. (no offense intended to the long suffering victims of Jeffy and ALPA)

 

[Fubijaakr]

They have to explore new markets since they're losing ground on the West Coast.

 

[dingo222]

They have to explore new markets since they're losing ground on the West Coast.

i flew dal 3 days ago from hnl-atl and it had 70 plus seats open. they arent losing as much as you think

 

[Fubijaakr]

i flew dal 3 days ago from hnl-atl and it had 70 plus seats open. they arent losing as much as you think

I was referring to HAL. They just cancelled their PDX - OGG service.

 

[Smarta$$]

If you're living in NYC the choice would be obvious. HAL from JFK; Great service on a new A330 with a company that wants to welcome you to Hawaii.

EWR and CAL .... Nuff said. (no offense intended to the long suffering victims of Jeffy and ALPA)

You do realize that Hawaiian is ALPA right?

 

[General Lee]

i flew dal 3 days ago from hnl-atl and it had 70 plus seats open. they arent losing as much as you think

Try that in the Summer. Very hard to get a seat from ATL to HNL. In October or early November, not as bad.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Poahi]

The wisdom of this move is to offer service from the Far East to New York on a single carrier. It will be a big winner for Hawaiian. Dunkerley is on a roll...

 

[General Lee]

The wisdom of this move is to offer service from the Far East to New York on a single carrier. It will be a big winner for Hawaiian. Dunkerley is on a roll...

So, you can't go nonstop from the Far East to NYC? Huh? I think you can Yoda. Oh, if you want to stop in Hawaii on the way, then sure. But, if you are a businessman who needs to be in NYC, then maybe not so much. And, the CEO may be on a roll, and other CEOs are watching, and deciding what to do with the excess cash they have on hand......Keep it going...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Hey Dan-Nice to see the general get antsy and defensive about someone besides WN-
Knock it out brother- great article, good news(!)

 

[Dan Roman]

They have to explore new markets since they're losing ground on the West Coast.

No we are not "losing ground on the west coast". you have been salivating over Hawaiian moving their OGG to PDX aircraft to OGG to OAK/SJC. There is a lot more to that than you obviously know, but it isn't because of low load factors. Hawaiian is doing very well as the preferred carrier between Hawaii and the west coast. We are now doing very well bringing that service to Asia and now the East Coast. I suspect Canada is next, then more Asia service.
You guys are very new to Hawaii, you have higher seat mile costs than us and much lower yield (and inferior service too!). Your competitive "us vs. Hawaiian" attitude makes you look very bad. You haven't impacted our loads at all, you carry your feed and frequent flyers.

 

[Dan Roman]

Hey Dan-Nice to see the general get antsy and defensive about someone besides WN-
Knock it out brother- great article, good news(!)

Thanks! and when you guys come here I'll welcome you! The reality about the Hawaii market is it's very big. We have out niche and people will always like flying to Hawaii on Hawaiian. But there are always going to be multiple carriers coming here. You guys will bring a whole new segment from your route structure here and it will be good for Hawaii, which is in turn good for Hawaiian. People like Fubi seem to have this "us vs. them attitude".

General, your hinting at someone buying Hawaiian because we are doing well, the reality is Hawaii is a very unique place and someone trying to acquire one of the largest employers in the state and losing what is considered Hawaii's flagship airline might not be as easy as you think. Hawaiian is an integral part of Hawaii and wont disappear easily.
The rumors of someone buying Hawaiian have always been there, so far it has never happened!

 

[SennaP1]

Well if you get stuck up front and I'm flying we can debate who was better, Ayrton Senna or Jimmy Clark!

Take you up on that!

Clark was a master of the 60s.
I love the F1 cars of the 1960s. Also, loved the high-tech cars of the early 1990s.

My vote goes to Senna. I'm sure after a 10 hour flight we could come to some conclusion. With the F1 circus coming to NY/NJ in the next couple years it'd make for a fun overnight for you with the new route.

 

[Dan Roman]

Take you up on that!

Clark was a master of the 60s.
I love the F1 cars of the 1960s. Also, loved the high-tech cars of the early 1990s.

My vote goes to Senna. I'm sure after a 10 hour flight we could come to some conclusion. With the F1 circus coming to NY/NJ in the next couple years it'd make for a fun overnight for you with the new route.

Sure is good to see the potential for 2 F1 races in the US!
I think the key would be layover for qualifying and come home and watch it on TV.

 

[Dan Roman]

They have to explore new markets since they're losing ground on the West Coast.

Your characterization of "Hawaiian losing ground" really shines a lite on your attitude. Awhile ago some AK guy made a post that we were shrinking because of you guys. Were do you guys get that crap? Hawaiian is doing great and we continue to expand our product. I've got no problem with other airlines flying to Hawaii, it's a huge market. For example, LAX/HNL has the most competition and we fill up our Airbuses on that one and are adding flights on that route. Our PDX flights both run full, now the one 767 (Airbus?) flight will be VERY full and all high yield tickets.

This just came out.....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hawaiian-Adding-Five-More-prnews-2913547562.html?x=0&l=1

hardly a move by an airline "losing ground"

 

[HAL]

I was just surprised fubi waited 8 hours for his first Hawaiian-bashing post after this thread got started. Seriously - HA is doing great, and AS is doing great. Why the need to instantly say something negative about another airline fubi? Don't we live with enough pressure for our managements? Shouldn't we try to support each other? It's only by chance I ended up here, and you there, instead of the other way around, so we should all be enjoying this rather than pulling ourselves down.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to a pastrami sandwich in NY one afternoon, good Tokyo sushi two days later, and Australian lamb to round out the week. I'm buying. You coming along fubi?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Wow, guys, defensive much? You're sounding like the SWA guys you were critical of in the SLI threads. Pointing out the facts doesn't make one a hater. Chill out a little.

No we are not "losing ground on the west coast". you have been salivating over Hawaiian moving their OGG to PDX aircraft to OGG to OAK/SJC..

Nice try Dan. You can't compete in the PDX-OGG market so it just makes sense to move the airplanes elsewhere. And look where you moved them...the Bay Area. Why? You're losing business routing people who want to go to OGG, KOA and LIH through HNL.

I'm sure your jets are full of the low ball pax who think a Hawaii vacation is Waikiki. The high yield pax know better. I'd say we're doing OK since the planes are full and we keep adding service.

I agree we're really not a threat to you...we're the replacement for Aloha.

P.S. Dan...that link sounds good, but if you read the whole thing, its a net gain of three (3!) airplanes. Sounds great until you compare it to the 70 777s Emirates ordered.

I was just surprised fubi waited 8 hours for his first Hawaiian-bashing post after this thread got started.

As I said, point out some facts and you're bashing. Not really. It is instructive to consider that we have the most flights to the islands per day.

And what's hurting you guys? West Coast passengers are wedded to the AS mileage plan. Hawaii is becoming a huge factor in that network. Are we flying AA and DAL codeshare pax? Of course.

Hey, we love the competition. We've knocked out lots of carriers. Wien and MarkAir are history. We ran DAL out of SE Alaska. SWA just dropped BOI and GEG out of SEA.

You have your niche. Hopefully it won't be reduced to interisland 717s. If I were you, I'd worry more about the Asian carriers.

Listen, when we buy HAL, I'll even support giving your pilots DoH. :beer:

 

[xjhawk]

I was just surprised fubi waited 8 hours for his first Hawaiian-bashing post after this thread got started. Seriously - HA is doing great, and AS is doing great. Why the need to instantly say something negative about another airline fubi? Don't we live with enough pressure for our managements? Shouldn't we try to support each other? It's only by chance I ended up here, and you there, instead of the other way around, so we should all be enjoying this rather than pulling ourselves down.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to a pastrami sandwich in NY one afternoon, good Tokyo sushi two days later, and Australian lamb to round out the week. I'm buying. You coming along fubi?

Well said HAL. I feel lucky to have been hired initially for my first airline by the home town regional in Minneapolis (not that things are peachy here now)-but its given me a lot of time at home. That being said-as HAL said with as how we end up at an airline, I hope I end up at one of my first choices. My hopes are that it is a combination of decent pay, great pilot group, successful business model, and great west coast bases so my family can move to a warmer climate.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow, guys, defensive much? You're sounding like the SWA guys you were critical of in the SLI threads. Pointing out the facts doesn't make one a hater. Chill out a little.



Nice try Dan. You can't compete in the PDX-OGG market so it just makes sense to move the airplanes elsewhere. And look where you moved them...the Bay Area. Why? You're losing business routing people who want to go to OGG, KOA and LIH through HNL.

I'm sure your jets are full of the low ball pax who think a Hawaii vacation is Waikiki. The high yield pax know better. I'd say we're doing OK since the planes are full and we keep adding service.

I agree we're really not a threat to you...we're the replacement for Aloha.

P.S. Dan...that link sounds good, but if you read the whole thing, its a net gain of three (3!) airplanes. Sounds great until you compare it to the 70 777s Emirates ordered.



As I said, point out some facts and you're bashing. Not really. It is instructive to consider that we have the most flights to the islands per day.

And what's hurting you guys? West Coast passengers are wedded to the AS mileage plan. Hawaii is becoming a huge factor in that network. Are we flying AA and DAL codeshare pax? Of course.

Hey, we love the competition. We've knocked out lots of carriers. Wien and MarkAir are history. We ran DAL out of SE Alaska. SWA just dropped BOI and GEG out of SEA.

You have your niche. Hopefully it won't be reduced to interisland 717s. If I were you, I'd worry more about the Asian carriers.

Listen, when we buy HAL, I'll even support giving your pilots DoH. :beer:

You're arrogance makes sacha and flyvixin sound down right humble. You're the one that spent so much energy taking them to task for acting exactly like you are.
A lot of what you say is simply wrong. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you and I certainly don't judge all AK pilots by your posts. To be honest you may be a great guy in person. However there is a term used over here that begins with F and ends with haole. Contrary to what some people think it is not a racist term per se, more of an observation about newcomers that come to Hawaii and are disrespectful, loud and obnoxious.
You are painting AK with that brush.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Wow, Dan. I think its YOU who are sounding every bit as defensive as the SWA boys on an SLI thread.

Sure is different when someone shines a light where YOU don't want it.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow, Dan. I think its YOU who are sounding every bit as defensive as the SWA boys on an SLI thread.

Sure is different when someone shines a light where YOU don't want it.

You are saying things that are patently false and come from a position of thinking you are better than you really are.
Alaska's Hawaii service doesn't have the best reputation over here.
Clearly I would take offense to the drivel you are posting, if that sounds defensive, so be it.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I wouldn't think YOU would like our service. However, our customers LOVE it and that's what counts. Perhaps it is YOUR customers you should worry about. I guess they got tired of flying from the Bay Area to OGG and KOA via HNL.

After we took enough of them, I guess your marketing folks decided to add direct flights out of the Bay Area. No worries, but that says a lot about who's scared and who's confident.

 

[Hikoushi]

All due respect (have several friends working for AK, great place, would've been happy to have wound up there, too), but those flights that were cancelled were still profitable, and high-yield to boot. Your information is simply wrong.

 

[Dan Roman]

All due respect (have several friends working for AK, great place, would've been happy to have wound up there, too), but those flights that were cancelled were still profitable, and high-yield to boot. Your information is simply wrong.

You are correct of course and his characterization of Hawaiian pax's as lowball further defines him.
The reality is AK is getting the low yield traffic to try and stimulate market share.