Hawaiian "Five O"

[Dan Roman]

They have to explore new markets since they're losing ground on the West Coast.

Your characterization of "Hawaiian losing ground" really shines a lite on your attitude. Awhile ago some AK guy made a post that we were shrinking because of you guys. Were do you guys get that crap? Hawaiian is doing great and we continue to expand our product. I've got no problem with other airlines flying to Hawaii, it's a huge market. For example, LAX/HNL has the most competition and we fill up our Airbuses on that one and are adding flights on that route. Our PDX flights both run full, now the one 767 (Airbus?) flight will be VERY full and all high yield tickets.

This just came out.....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hawaiian-Adding-Five-More-prnews-2913547562.html?x=0&l=1

hardly a move by an airline "losing ground"

 

[HAL]

I was just surprised fubi waited 8 hours for his first Hawaiian-bashing post after this thread got started. Seriously - HA is doing great, and AS is doing great. Why the need to instantly say something negative about another airline fubi? Don't we live with enough pressure for our managements? Shouldn't we try to support each other? It's only by chance I ended up here, and you there, instead of the other way around, so we should all be enjoying this rather than pulling ourselves down.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to a pastrami sandwich in NY one afternoon, good Tokyo sushi two days later, and Australian lamb to round out the week. I'm buying. You coming along fubi?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Wow, guys, defensive much? You're sounding like the SWA guys you were critical of in the SLI threads. Pointing out the facts doesn't make one a hater. Chill out a little.

No we are not "losing ground on the west coast". you have been salivating over Hawaiian moving their OGG to PDX aircraft to OGG to OAK/SJC..

Nice try Dan. You can't compete in the PDX-OGG market so it just makes sense to move the airplanes elsewhere. And look where you moved them...the Bay Area. Why? You're losing business routing people who want to go to OGG, KOA and LIH through HNL.

I'm sure your jets are full of the low ball pax who think a Hawaii vacation is Waikiki. The high yield pax know better. I'd say we're doing OK since the planes are full and we keep adding service.

I agree we're really not a threat to you...we're the replacement for Aloha.

P.S. Dan...that link sounds good, but if you read the whole thing, its a net gain of three (3!) airplanes. Sounds great until you compare it to the 70 777s Emirates ordered.

I was just surprised fubi waited 8 hours for his first Hawaiian-bashing post after this thread got started.

As I said, point out some facts and you're bashing. Not really. It is instructive to consider that we have the most flights to the islands per day.

And what's hurting you guys? West Coast passengers are wedded to the AS mileage plan. Hawaii is becoming a huge factor in that network. Are we flying AA and DAL codeshare pax? Of course.

Hey, we love the competition. We've knocked out lots of carriers. Wien and MarkAir are history. We ran DAL out of SE Alaska. SWA just dropped BOI and GEG out of SEA.

You have your niche. Hopefully it won't be reduced to interisland 717s. If I were you, I'd worry more about the Asian carriers.

Listen, when we buy HAL, I'll even support giving your pilots DoH. :beer:

 

[xjhawk]

I was just surprised fubi waited 8 hours for his first Hawaiian-bashing post after this thread got started. Seriously - HA is doing great, and AS is doing great. Why the need to instantly say something negative about another airline fubi? Don't we live with enough pressure for our managements? Shouldn't we try to support each other? It's only by chance I ended up here, and you there, instead of the other way around, so we should all be enjoying this rather than pulling ourselves down.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to a pastrami sandwich in NY one afternoon, good Tokyo sushi two days later, and Australian lamb to round out the week. I'm buying. You coming along fubi?

Well said HAL. I feel lucky to have been hired initially for my first airline by the home town regional in Minneapolis (not that things are peachy here now)-but its given me a lot of time at home. That being said-as HAL said with as how we end up at an airline, I hope I end up at one of my first choices. My hopes are that it is a combination of decent pay, great pilot group, successful business model, and great west coast bases so my family can move to a warmer climate.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow, guys, defensive much? You're sounding like the SWA guys you were critical of in the SLI threads. Pointing out the facts doesn't make one a hater. Chill out a little.



Nice try Dan. You can't compete in the PDX-OGG market so it just makes sense to move the airplanes elsewhere. And look where you moved them...the Bay Area. Why? You're losing business routing people who want to go to OGG, KOA and LIH through HNL.

I'm sure your jets are full of the low ball pax who think a Hawaii vacation is Waikiki. The high yield pax know better. I'd say we're doing OK since the planes are full and we keep adding service.

I agree we're really not a threat to you...we're the replacement for Aloha.

P.S. Dan...that link sounds good, but if you read the whole thing, its a net gain of three (3!) airplanes. Sounds great until you compare it to the 70 777s Emirates ordered.



As I said, point out some facts and you're bashing. Not really. It is instructive to consider that we have the most flights to the islands per day.

And what's hurting you guys? West Coast passengers are wedded to the AS mileage plan. Hawaii is becoming a huge factor in that network. Are we flying AA and DAL codeshare pax? Of course.

Hey, we love the competition. We've knocked out lots of carriers. Wien and MarkAir are history. We ran DAL out of SE Alaska. SWA just dropped BOI and GEG out of SEA.

You have your niche. Hopefully it won't be reduced to interisland 717s. If I were you, I'd worry more about the Asian carriers.

Listen, when we buy HAL, I'll even support giving your pilots DoH. :beer:

You're arrogance makes sacha and flyvixin sound down right humble. You're the one that spent so much energy taking them to task for acting exactly like you are.
A lot of what you say is simply wrong. I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you and I certainly don't judge all AK pilots by your posts. To be honest you may be a great guy in person. However there is a term used over here that begins with F and ends with haole. Contrary to what some people think it is not a racist term per se, more of an observation about newcomers that come to Hawaii and are disrespectful, loud and obnoxious.
You are painting AK with that brush.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Wow, Dan. I think its YOU who are sounding every bit as defensive as the SWA boys on an SLI thread.

Sure is different when someone shines a light where YOU don't want it.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow, Dan. I think its YOU who are sounding every bit as defensive as the SWA boys on an SLI thread.

Sure is different when someone shines a light where YOU don't want it.

You are saying things that are patently false and come from a position of thinking you are better than you really are.
Alaska's Hawaii service doesn't have the best reputation over here.
Clearly I would take offense to the drivel you are posting, if that sounds defensive, so be it.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I wouldn't think YOU would like our service. However, our customers LOVE it and that's what counts. Perhaps it is YOUR customers you should worry about. I guess they got tired of flying from the Bay Area to OGG and KOA via HNL.

After we took enough of them, I guess your marketing folks decided to add direct flights out of the Bay Area. No worries, but that says a lot about who's scared and who's confident.

 

[Hikoushi]

All due respect (have several friends working for AK, great place, would've been happy to have wound up there, too), but those flights that were cancelled were still profitable, and high-yield to boot. Your information is simply wrong.

 

[Dan Roman]

All due respect (have several friends working for AK, great place, would've been happy to have wound up there, too), but those flights that were cancelled were still profitable, and high-yield to boot. Your information is simply wrong.

You are correct of course and his characterization of Hawaiian pax's as lowball further defines him.
The reality is AK is getting the low yield traffic to try and stimulate market share.

 

[EngineThunder]

Wow, Dan. I think its YOU who are sounding every bit as defensive as the SWA boys on an SLI thread.

Sure is different when someone shines a light where YOU don't want it.

Okay Fubi, let's talk about the B scale YOU voted for at Alaska to save your job. For all the preaching you do on here about pay rates that drag the industry down your vote on B Scale makes you part of the club you despise the most. Pot meet Kettle.

 

[Fubijaakr]

but those flights that were cancelled were still profitable, and high-yield to boot. Your information is simply wrong.

That makes sense. Let's cancel some high-yield, profitable flights and move the airplanes to the Bay Area to compete with someone we're trouncing.

Yeah, right.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Okay Fubi, let's talk about the B scale YOU voted for at Alaska to save your job.

Sorry, Ace (or is it Sacka with a new screen name?). I was hired under the only B-scale Alaska ever had. It was on the property long before I came aboard.

Nice try, though, Loser.

 

[slaquer5]

Sorry, Ace (or is it Sacka with a new screen name?). I was hired under the only B-scale Alaska ever had. It was on the property long before I came aboard.

Nice try, though, Loser.

You have said your a captain at Alaska, when did you upgrade,when where you hired ?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Figure it out, if you're such an Alaska historian. I spent the entire 5 years on the B-scale. So it had to be on the property before I got hired.

There's no way I could have voted for it.

 

[EngineThunder]

Figure it out, if you're such an Alaska historian. I spent the entire 5 years on the B-scale. So it had to be on the property before I got hired.

There's no way I could have voted for it.

So you knew there was a B Scale there and you chose to go there anyway and work for B Scale wages. Thanks for holding that bar up for the rest of us by working for B scale wages.

Awaiting your back peddling in 3, 2, 1...........

 

[EngineThunder]

Sorry, Ace (or is it Sacka with a new screen name?). I was hired under the only B-scale Alaska ever had. It was on the property long before I came aboard.

Nice try, though, Loser.

You going to Alaska for B Scale makes your diatribes in the LCC section laughable. Your credibility is going down faster than Kim Kardashian on pro athletes.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well, they don't have a B-scale at VX now do they? They only have substandard wages/benefits. No chance of improving.

Quite a difference. Alaska wasn't pulling wages down at the time. VX is.

Easy to see, unless YOU have an agenda.

So stick the backpedaling comment up there next to your head, new Sacka.

 

[EngineThunder]

Well, they don't have a B-scale at VX now do they? They only have substandard wages/benefits. No chance of improving.

Quite a difference. Alaska wasn't pulling wages down at the time. VX is.

Easy to see, unless YOU have an agenda.

So stick the backpedaling comment up there next to your head, new Sacka.

Just showing how you love to talk out both sides of your mouth. Wouldn't B Scale be considered substandard wages? That's why they call it B Scale.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Seriously, new Sacka, you are a dolt.

On a B-scale it ends after a delineated time. 5 years in our case. With a non-Union substandard wage airline like VX, they ALWAYS have poor wages.

Once the B-scale is you return to the main pay scale.

VXers NEVER do. They're stuck making 60% of my wages. And that rate draws EVERYONE down to their level. The only thing they lead is the race to the bottom.