Hard work doesn't pay in Avation, unless you're a U.N.D. Grad!

[mesaba2425]

All I know is that the Pilot industry is crazy! I am the definition of "the black sheep" and I love it. My students get elbows in their gut and clip boards in the back of their heads when they don't listen and not only do they love every minute of it, they learn and I NEVER have to tell them right rudder three times!

I hope your joking but if you're not, I'm guessing that has something to do with it. No captain wants some idiot like that sitting next to them. And when, I mean IF, you ever make captain, no FO will want to fly with you. Change your attitude and I bet you'll have better luck.

 

[AAflyer]

Want to fly with?

Any captain ever hits me over the head with a clipboard, he will be hanging on
some winglet by his tie.

AA

P.S. UND grad that was flying traffic watch as his first job.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

seriously.....hit me in the head with your clipboard....

I be kickin your MO-rine a$$ all over the tarmac when we land.

HU-RAH..

 

[TopGun-MAV]

indeed the airline career is a long hard ride to the top. i have many a friend that have 'skiped' the line to get on with regionals a majors just because 'they could'. pft?? und?? erau?? you name it

maverick.

 

[bobbysamd]

PFT Flamebait

indeed the airline career is a long hard ride to the top.

You're a real expert, aren't you, "Mav?" Aren't you a big time TAB Express P-F-T FO by now?

i have many a friend that have 'skiped' the line to get on with regionals a majors just because 'they could'. pft?? und?? erau?? you name it

Shouldn't that be spelled "skipped"? Haven't they learned you English at TAB, "Mav?" "Mav," you said two months ago that you would no longer post on this board. Just like P-F-T, another broken promise.

Speaking of promises, read on:

TAB Express Airline announces, for a limited time; FULL REBATE OF TRAINING COSTS!

Co-pilots, with no experience or with ratings, who begin training in August or September of 2004 and sign a 4-year commitment to fly for TAB Express Airline, will receive repayment of the entire cost of training at the end of the four year period. The requirements to receive the full repayment at the end of the four years are:

Maintain a 3.0 GPA.
Must pass the commercial checkride.
Must pass airline indoc and IOE.
Pass the Captain upgrade checkride.
Successfully complete the 4-year commitment.
Pay is above industry average. Upgrades to Captain are at 1200 hours. Classes are filling up quickly. Call toll-free at 866-785-0092 now for more information.

TAB Express has recognized an industry-wide pilot turnover of 60% for most small commuter airlines, resulting in substantially high training costs. By offering this incentive, TAB Express Airline hopes to build a solid four year pilot base.


What a deal!!! Not!!! What a bunch of malarkey. How do you spell "fraud?" One way to spell is is "T-A-B."

 

[46Driver]

Only 45 posts til this turns into a PFT thread. How many more to make it a RJDC.....

 

[labbats]

Stop responding to Top Gun Mav. The guy's a fake.

 

[bobbysamd]

"Mav"

Stop responding to Top Gun Mav. The guy's a fake.

I know, but it's hard to resist.

I wonder if he ever got past those V1 cuts he whined about.

 

[flyer172r]

First of all, I'll add my thanks for your service to all the others expressing similar feelings. Second, please don't stereotype college flight students like that. I attend an aviation college, and many of my friends will be paying off student loans until the day they die. Third, even if someone receives financial help in attaining their ratings, that doesn't diminish the quality of their experience, since becoming a pilot still requires a lot of hard work and study, and most of the people who think they can fork over daddy's money and walk away a qualified pilot usually has another thing coming to them (I've seen it happen).

Yes, there are some who happily spend their parents' money until they get a cushy job, there are others who are truly humbled by the help they receive, and promise to work hard and earn their ratings in exchange for the help, then go out and build time and look for low-paying jobs just like everyone else. All I'm saying is don't assume anyone coming out of collegiate aviation is a snotty know-it-all who hasn't worked for anything. We're as varied as the pilot community in general, and saying you don't want to "baby-sit" us as we "learn how to be a pilot after spending Daddy's fortune" says more about your character than it does about ours.

There's always somebody out there who has it easier than you. Always.

And by the way, I grew up in the suburbs, don't think we don't know what "reality" is.

 

[Mtnjam]

Pre-Pensacola

For those of you who have difficulties with my training strategies, please keep in mind I do train "Military" Pilots. Yes Military Pilots!! My civilian students do not get this treatment. If you haven't trained a Military Pilot, then you have no understanding of what my job entails. Thankyou and enough said...... I can't believe this Thread is still going on,and on and on and on.

 

[TonyC]

For those of you who have difficulties with my training strategies, please keep in mind I do train "Military" Pilots. Yes Military Pilots!! My civilian students do not get this treatment. If you haven't trained a Military Pilot, then you have no understanding of what my job entails.

You only knock military pilots in the back of the head with the clipboard, eh?

As it happens, I DO have quite a bit of experience teaching military pilots. I've taught quite a few pedestrians to fly Air Force jets, and I can't think of a SINGLE, SOLITARY time where your described method was appropriate, or would have been effective. All I have left to say on the matter is you're pretty darn lucky you haven't had that thing shoved right back in your face. Maybe one day you'll forget and try that on a civilian student, and we'll read about the results on the NTSB site.

 

[46Driver]

You only knock military pilots in the back of the head with the clipboard, eh?

As it happens, I DO have quite a bit of experience teaching military pilots. I've taught quite a few pedestrians to fly Air Force jets, and I can't think of a SINGLE, SOLITARY time where your described method was appropriate, or would have been effective. All I have left to say on the matter is you're pretty darn lucky you haven't had that thing shoved right back in your face. Maybe one day you'll forget and try that on a civilian student, and we'll read about the results on the NTSB site.

Agree with all above, except my thousands of hours was instructing Navy and Marine Corps students. We had a few instructors like Mtnjam until they were relieved by the C.O. - we don't have time or money for that kind of unprofessional demeanor.

 

[Muddauber]

You are always going to have these ERAU & UND "kids" willing to fly for the poverty wages at the regionals after spending $120,000 + of daddy's money...


3 5 0

You can't say University of North Dakota and Embry - Riddle Aeronautical University in the same sentence. UND is a legitimate University with real entrance requirements; Embry - Riddle is where you go when you can't get into college.

Muddy

 

[BoilerUP]

For those of you who have difficulties with my training strategies, please keep in mind I do train "Military" Pilots. Yes Military Pilots!! My civilian students do not get this treatment. If you haven't trained a Military Pilot, then you have no understanding of what my job entails. Thankyou and enough said...... I can't believe this Thread is still going on,and on and on and on.

Soloed three Air Force IFT 2LTs, and passed one on his Final Prog before his checkride. I've gotten a few instrument current, and checked a couple out in company aircraft. All were suprisingly humble, especially the ex-Naval aviator with 3000+ helo time and 2000+ T-34 instructor time that just wanted a 172 checkout. None of them needed corporal punishment in the airplane.

Been there, done that, got that t-shirt. There are thousands of major and regional airline captains that "train" military pilots too, once they hit the civvy side. What do you want, a cookie?

 

[R0NIN]

Pilots are losers

I have been reading this web page for almost 10 years..... 80% of the people on this board are huge losers... including the resume writer gal, and GulfStream 2000 ( I've seen some pretty bad threads ripping on other people).

Mtnjam, don't ask many people on here for advise. I mean, C'mon, look at the response gulfstream 2000 gave you.....What a self righteous POS.... obviously you can see what spending too much time in a cockpit will do to your social skills... Your want to work with someone like that!!!!! HE IS A HUGE LOSER.... I wouldn't hire him to fly my HS 125... EVER!!!!!! I only come here when I'm bored off my arse!!!

Later Losers, hope your pay check treats you well

-Ronin, out

 

[bobbysamd]

Constructive comments v. constructive comments

The above comments certainly were constructive and furthered the discussion. Why don't you offer something positive to offset all the negativity?

The fact that Resume Writer has garnered so many testimonials says everything about her abilities and expertise. As we say in law, res ipsa loquitor, or "the thing speaks for itself."

 

[Caveman]

Mtnjam,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you but I've been out flying for a living. BTW, you aren't flying for a living so pay attention numbnuts. You posted :

"The former Marine who replied to this post, is obviously a Marine Officer who never scrubbed **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**te rs as a Private or cleaned blades of grass with a tooth brush because bootprints were on them. That's OK, because I train the newly graduated Ensons and Marine Lt's that are soon to go to Pensacola FL. to try and be a fighter jock. I understand their modes of thinking! Officer mentality!! "

You couldn't be more wrong. First of all, if you were really in the Marine Corps you would have known I was an enlisted Marine by the way I signed the post. FWIW, my bio is almost identical to yours with one minor exception, I have a successful flying career going. You do not. I too dropped out of high school, poor parents, no cash, minor legal problems, dysfunction, etc, etc. SO FREAKING WHAT! Nobody cares. I joined the Marine Corps when I was barely 18 and the Corps squared my ass away and turned me into something useful instead of some whiny kid that's still blaming the world for his own lack of accomplishment. Toughen up buttercup and take charge of your life. Stop blaming your failures on bad luck, little rich kids or whatever else you can come up with. You are the only person on the planet responsible for your life. Either you decide to be succesful or you'll just be another airline wannabe crying about how you could have been a contender. Unless something drastically changes in your attitude you'll never be succesful at anything.

Get your head out of yer ass, pull your panties up and stop **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing crying!

TOP

 

[TonyC]

WEEeeeelllllllll...... that pretty much sums it up!



Next?

 

[labbats]

Mtnjam,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you but I've been out flying for a living. BTW, you aren't flying for a living so pay attention numbnuts. You posted :

"The former Marine who replied to this post, is obviously a Marine Officer who never scrubbed **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**te rs as a Private or cleaned blades of grass with a tooth brush because bootprints were on them. That's OK, because I train the newly graduated Ensons and Marine Lt's that are soon to go to Pensacola FL. to try and be a fighter jock. I understand their modes of thinking! Officer mentality!! "

You couldn't be more wrong. First of all, if you were really in the Marine Corps you would have known I was an enlisted Marine by the way I signed the post. FWIW, my bio is almost identical to yours with one minor exception, I have a successful flying career going. You do not. I too dropped out of high school, poor parents, no cash, minor legal problems, dysfunction, etc, etc. SO FREAKING WHAT! Nobody cares. I joined the Marine Corps when I was barely 18 and the Corps squared my ass away and turned me into something useful instead of some whiny kid that's still blaming the world for his own lack of accomplishment. Toughen up buttercup and take charge of your life. Stop blaming your failures on bad luck, little rich kids or whatever else you can come up with. You are the only person on the planet responsible for your life. Either you decide to be succesful or you'll just be another airline wannabe crying about how you could have been a contender. Unless something drastically changes in your attitude you'll never be succesful at anything.

Get your head out of yer ass, pull your panties up and stop **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing crying!

TOP

I don't know about mtnjam, but I'm convinced you're a marine! I love it!

 

[IP076]

You can't say University of North Dakota and Embry - Riddle Aeronautical University in the same sentence. UND is a legitimate University with real entrance requirements; Embry - Riddle is where you go when you can't get into college.

Muddy

Ahhh....WTF? I think a Bachelor's Degree is the same....They're both accredited universities. If anything, Embry-Riddle is the place you go if you dont want to freeze your balls off during the winter. I'd take the mountains of AZ over the crap ponds and continuously flooding rivers of ND any day.

Signed....accepted at UND but went to ERAU anyways...