Guy in back gets dream shot

[XPOO]

What can BROWN do for you?

 

[OnTheDole]

The private pilot said he sat in the right seat... that means the fo (acting captain) switched to fly in the left seat - makes the PIC time more official - classic

 

[Edge540]

The private pilot said he sat in the right seat... that means the fo (acting captain) switched to fly in the left seat - makes the PIC time more official - classic

He probably wanted some nose wheel control on the ground

 

[Oakum_Boy]

If the autopilot was on, were they logging instrument time? Maybe they requested a treadmill for their emergency landing. It would make the ground roll shorter.

 

[shamrock]

So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

I'm not trying to start any arguments or insinuate anything about the FO/Captain/surviving pilot's choices, I'm just saying that until read this article I don't think switching seats would've crossed my mind. I know I'd feel much more comfortable flying and landing from the right seat since I do it every day, and other than not having access to the tiller I think I could get everything done from there as well. Obviously I've never flown a 757 so I can only go on my own experiences, maybe a 757 guy can weigh in on the subject.

Again, I think this guy did a fine job getting the plane on the ground and I'm not passing judgement on him at all, I'm just curious about the idea of switching seats.

 

[minitour]

In addition, the private pilot can log the time as dual since the FO (now Captain) has an ATP, correct?

Lilah

I'm going to say "nope" since the pilot wasn't a CAL employee. Unless he's got a CFII or MEI...

61.167 (a) A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate is entitled to the same privileges as those afforded a person who holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating.
(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—
(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;
(2) In flight simulators, and flight training devices representing the aircraft referenced in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, when instructing under the provisions of this section and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;
(3) Only as provided in this section, unless the airline transport pilot also holds a flight instructor certificate, in which case the holder may exercise the instructor privileges of subpart H of part 61 for which he or she is rated; and
(4) In an aircraft, only if the aircraft has functioning dual controls, when instructing under the provisions of this section.


Either way, good job on the FO for asking for help...good job on Brown for helping to git'r'dun

-mini

 

[sleddriver77]

So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

At our company, the manual specifically says "no" to switching seats in the event of incapacitation. I can see the nosewheel steering argument, though; but are you really gonna taxi to the gate? EMS could meet you on the runway just as easily.

 

[XPOO]

I would think at this point, a deviation to the manuals for the sake of safety of flight was the best case scenario.

 

[OnTheDole]

So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

I'm not trying to start any arguments or insinuate anything about the FO/Captain/surviving pilot's choices, I'm just saying that until read this article I don't think switching seats would've crossed my mind. I know I'd feel much more comfortable flying and landing from the right seat since I do it every day, and other than not having access to the tiller I think I could get everything done from there as well. Obviously I've never flown a 757 so I can only go on my own experiences, maybe a 757 guy can weigh in on the subject.

Again, I think this guy did a fine job getting the plane on the ground and I'm not passing judgement on him at all, I'm just curious about the idea of switching seats.

I wouldn't - tough to convince the lawyers that the reason you botched the landing wasn’t because you have no training / experience landing that A/C from that seat. Besides I wouldn’t be taxiing into the gate with a guy on the verge of death on the airplane – I would have medics on board as soon as I could bring it to a stop not after a 5 minute taxi.

In no way am I actually serious about the FO doing something to further his ego or his logbook in this case - but when I read that he was in the left seat it made me chuckle

 

[Motive Flow]

So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

I'm not trying to start any arguments or insinuate anything about the FO/Captain/surviving pilot's choices, I'm just saying that until read this article I don't think switching seats would've crossed my mind. I know I'd feel much more comfortable flying and landing from the right seat since I do it every day, and other than not having access to the tiller I think I could get everything done from there as well. Obviously I've never flown a 757 so I can only go on my own experiences, maybe a 757 guy can weigh in on the subject.

Again, I think this guy did a fine job getting the plane on the ground and I'm not passing judgement on him at all, I'm just curious about the idea of switching seats.

I think the "FO" was actually a Check Airman doing OE with an upgrading Captain.
If this happens to a regular FO, I imagine the best thing to do is just stop on the runway and get the medics onboard.

 

[FishandFly]

So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

No.

It's not a matter of whether or not I think I'd be able to pull off a safe landing from the left seat, rather that I would be more capable from the right seat.

If you wanted to taxi all the way to the gate, why not just switch seats once on the ground?

 

[shamrock]

I think the "FO" was actually a Check Airman doing OE with an upgrading Captain.

Ahh, that could explain it.

I definitely wouldn't be trying to taxi anywhere, stopping on the runway or using a high speed would be the order for the day.

 

[30West]

Screw the TSA

 

[jeroom]

So for all you FO's out there, if you were in this situation would you switch seats?

I'm not trying to start any arguments or insinuate anything about the FO/Captain/surviving pilot's choices, I'm just saying that until read this article I don't think switching seats would've crossed my mind. I know I'd feel much more comfortable flying and landing from the right seat since I do it every day, and other than not having access to the tiller I think I could get everything done from there as well. Obviously I've never flown a 757 so I can only go on my own experiences, maybe a 757 guy can weigh in on the subject.

Again, I think this guy did a fine job getting the plane on the ground and I'm not passing judgement on him at all, I'm just curious about the idea of switching seats.

As an EXTREMELY experienced FO (not on the 75), I can say that as long as there is a jack for my Ipod on the left seat...I wouldn't mind switching seats with Brown! I would put ACDC "Hell's Bells" on in that Motha Fukin cockpit...and land the big girl!! Done it so many times on FS2004...

 

[DrewBlows]

I think the "FO" was actually a Check Airman doing OE with an upgrading Captain.
If this happens to a regular FO, I imagine the best thing to do is just stop on the runway and get the medics onboard.

I can imagine a lot of cases where it would be faster to taxi to the gate than to stop on the runway and wait for someone to bring portable stairs out to the aircraft (no airstairs on a 75).

 

[RightTraffic]

Why not use all available resources in an emergency situation? I do not see how using a private pilot to help out would be a bad thing, I am sure he understood how to lower gear, talk on the radio, and had a basic understanding of how to read a checklist, plus just having someone there in a stressful situation would help calm the nerves a little.

I agree with you all the way!

 

[siucavflight]

and if you really want to throw up in your mouth a little, go over to a.net and read what those "experts" have to say about this.....

Link please.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

 

[XPOO]

Does anyone on board own any version of Flight Simulator? If so, would you please let the flight attendant know as soon as possible.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

"You ever been in a 757 cockpit before?"

"No sir, I've never been up in a 757 before."

"You ever seen a grown man naked?"