Gulfstream getting CoEx Routes?

[flx757]

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While we're at it, I don't feel that Southwest is P-F-T.

What is it then? [/B]

I could apply tomorrow at SWA, and not pay one cent for training. I didn't pay one cent for my 737 type rating, either.

Kinda shoots that PFT theory, doesn't it? (No matter how some people want to twist it to fit their beliefs.)

 

[bobbysamd]

Southwest

In reality SWA is PFT in a way.... IF "hired" YOU are required to obtain a 737 type rating and last I checked YOU had to PAY the place for the TRAINING

Really, though, my understanding about the Southwest 737 type requirement is the airline doesn't care where you get the type. It just cares that you have it. Therefore, consider this issue from the following point of view.

This whole Southwest 737 type issue seems to turn on the notion of paying for the type rating, i.e. the "pay" in P-F-T. However, what if by some stretch of the imagination you acquired a 737 type on an employer's nickel before applying to Southwest? That would extinguish the "pay" notion, wouldn't it? It's the "pay" notion that is abhorent to people.

In other words, compare it to working for a company that typed you in Lears. You see a better job that requires a Lear type. You have the type. You apply. I don't know of a single person here who would have a problem with that.

Or, let's say you are a 737 captain at some major that furloughed you. You have the 737 type. You decide to resign your seniority and apply to Southwest. The type is on your pilot certificate. It will always be yours. What's the problem there?

Just another analysis of this issue. And, as always, it's just my .02 opinion.

 

[mckpickle]

well what the hells the point. If guys at coex already had a ATR typr back in the day they were not required to go through a whole ground school and sim. To get hired at southwest you NEED a 737 type. Now most guys do not have one when they aply. Its PFT plain and simple. Thats the way they do things and thats that, but lets not put a gold chain on a pig and call it a puppy!

 

[350DRIVER]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but 350, Gulfstream, I think has a pretty long waiting list for their FO course.

And is this suppose to change my feeling towards the program.?? I think NOT. The facts speak for themselves.


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ps> The coffee smells good this morning....

 

[trainerjet]

To get hired at southwest you NEED a 737 type. Its PFT plain and simple. Thats the way they do things and thats that, but lets not put a gold chain on a pig and call it a puppy!

Who really gives a @#*^ whether you believe it's PFT or not? SWA has always required a type, and will always require a type. It's always been one of the more sought after jobs in aviation, and will continue to be. Probably even more so, now. There has never been a shortage of people applying, and that will continue to be the case. Your opinion of "the way they do things" notwithstanding.

BTW, anyone with half a clue of what PFT really is can plainly see that it doesn't apply to SWA. Guess that leaves you out.

 

[jppt2000]

And is this suppose to change my feeling towards the program.?? I think NOT. The facts speak for themselves.


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ps> The coffee smells good this morning....

Precisely, I think trying to change your mind about GIA is a lost cause.
Only because you have no idea of what you're talking about.
Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Keep spouting your ignorant, angry, misinformed opinions, one day you'll fly with someone who went through GIA.


PS. Starbucks is better.
PSS isn't a 1900 the same as a 350?

 

[350DRIVER]

Keep spouting your ignorant, angry, misinformed opinions, one day you'll fly with someone who went through GIA

Too funny !!


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try the coffee if you get the chance

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

[Precisely, I think trying to change your mind about GIA is a lost cause.
Only because you have no idea of what you're talking about.
Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Keep spouting your ignorant, angry, misinformed opinions, one day you'll fly with someone who went through GIA. [/B]

For what it's worth, I agree that GIA is a joke and an insult to our profession.

It is because of GIA and countless other airlines like it that the piloting profession is threatened today like it has never been before.

How can we expect any airline mgt team to respect us as professionals when so many of our number seem content to condone programs such as this?

P.S.
I would be happy to share my opinion with any GIA graduate, whether I am flying with him or not. Disdain for the program does not necessarily translate into disdain for the pilot. People make mistakes and errors in judgement, and respectfully pointing out the ramifications of programs like GIA should be encouraged to potentially hinder them from spreading.

 

[Britpilot]

Me- "I would like a job with you all at SWA"
SWA- "Certainly,just go get a 737 type"
Me- "Ok I'll do that"
Training facility- "Here's your type, that will $8500.00 Please"
SWA- "Are, you have your type, welcome aboard"


No it's not PFT, you are right, so you all won't have a problem with me after I have done this,and written the check, right?

 

[jppt2000]

How can we expect any airline mgt team to respect us as professionals when so many of our number seem content to condone programs such as this?

Spoken like a true alleged Delta Mainline guy who I think is furloughed. Gee, I remember your condescending tone FlyDeltaJets, we traded, "opinions" at an earlier time. Were you thinking the same thing when you and your mainline professionals had a chance to stand up to management with the COMASA PID?
Oh, FDJ, you forgot to add, Comair "flight academy owned by DAL" and ASA were PFT.
Times are a changing folks.
350, stand on the corner and cry all you want.
Boo hoo hoo, my heart bleeds for you both.

 

[bobbysamd]

737 type

Me- "I would like a job with you all at SWA"
SWA- "Certainly,just go get a 737 type"
Me- "Ok I'll do that"
Training facility- "Here's your type, that will $8500.00 Please"
SWA- "Are, you have your type, welcome aboard"
No it's not PFT, you are right, so you all won't have a problem with me after I have done this,and written the check, right?

I would not, actually. Not in the least.

Once more, compare it to a corporate job that requires a Lear type. This issue turns on whether the training can be used elsewhere. A 737 type certainly can be shopped to others besides Southwest.

Once more, Comair is not P-F-T. Once again, the analysis to apply is whether the Commercial-CFI earned at Comair can be used elsewhere. It can. Same for MAPD. Absolutely, Mesa's training is steeped heavily in its line procedures and graduates arrive on the property trained to fly its 1900s. But, bottom line, the Commercial-Multi-Instrument earned at MAPD is good anywhere.

 

[edy]

From reading this forum, I believe El Duderino seems to be a bit if a daft prick. The United States is the only country in the world where "buying time" is considered bad. ( by some, and from the pilots I have talked to at airports, the minority.)

I did not have to do this, I was lucky. But I will not insult those who did. I am not God. Even though some obviously think they are.

 

[edy]

One more thing, I agree with something someone said. Disagreeing with a program is one thing, but do Not take it out on the pilot.

I had an ex-GIA pilot at my airline, and I have had him in my cockpit. He was an excellent pilot. Personally, I did not care for him much, but he was skilled. He is now on United's seniority list.

 

[jppt2000]

I am not God. Even though some obviously think they are.

You must not fly for Delta mainline.

 

[kilomike]

Southwest is not pft

Southwest is NOT pft. What about a person who flies a 737 in the military and gets hired because he was able to transfer the type rating??? He didn't buy anything and won't have to buy anything to attend Southwest's new hire class. What about those BBJ's? Some bizjet pilot could come in with 737 experience and a type. It's just a type rating requirement, people. Southwest itself does not charge money to enter its new hire program. So it is not pft, unlike the trash pile down in Florida called Gulfstream!!!!!

I feel perfectly safe flying on Southwest. They have an excellent safety record and some of the best pilots out there. Hoot Gibson, the former astronaut, flies for them. Good enough for him, good enough for me.

Can't say the same about Gulftrash.

 

[bobbysamd]

. . . . Disdain for the program does not necessarily translate into disdain for the pilot. People make mistakes and errors in judgement, and respectfully pointing out the ramifications of programs like GIA should be encouraged to potentially hinder them from spreading.

Fair comments.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

I am not God. Even though some obviously think they are.

You must not fly for Delta mainline.

Not surprisingly, neither do you.

The insults are getting predictable. At least put some thought into them.

 

[jppt2000]

Not surprisingly, neither do you.

never applied, FDJ's.
Funny though, had I bought into your fantasy job, I'd be on furlough right now. Probably for at least five years.
PS, FDJ, Delta manangement needs your help.
What was the loss? for 3Q?

 

[Britpilot]

Re: 737 type

I would not, actually. Not in the least.

Once more, compare it to a corporate job that requires a Lear type. This issue turns on whether the training can be used elsewhere. A 737 type certainly can be shopped to others besides Southwest.

B]

So can my B1900 and EMB 145 types, but I am dishonorable because I paid for for my initial training. Face the facts, you need a type to go to SWA, if you don't have it, then you have to pay. If it was not PFT then SWA would pay for the type. There is absolutely no differance here to what I did apart from the fact that my initial training was in house. I do not have the benefit of a freebie 73 type so it has to be purchased just like all the other training I purchased and just like all the other professional pilot students who are paying for their college and flight training. You see a college degree is a REQUIREMENT for a lot of carriers, not many colleges give you a free degree and yes I paid for that as well.
Former GIA students are flying for lots of airlines worlwide so if you are that concerned about the skill of these pilots then I suggest that you NEVER step foot on ANY commercial airliner EVER again.

 

[chawbein]

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Do y'all ever get tired of talking about it?