Gulfstream fined $1.3M for faking pilot records

[glasspilot]

Just another nail in the coffin for Gulfstream. That place is a joke. Anyone associated with that place is tainted for life.

Good! They deserve it. That's what you get for taking shortcuts in life.

 

[SEVEN]

MEMO: To ALL Gulfstream Koolaid Drinkers:

Ummm....I think their licenses were issued by the same authority that your licenses were issued. I think you need to recollect your thoughts and try that one again.

We all know how licenses are issued. Do you have any idea how the process works? Designated Examiners issue boatloads of certificates hand over fist at that place. They are turning them over like a factory. This is how the pilot mills work. They send hundreds if not thousands of students to these Examiners who in turn pass the majority of them making big bucks in the process. If an Examiner began failing multiple students from that academy, Gulfstream would just send their students to someone else.

It still amazes me that there are still people who are defending a place like Gulfstream Academy. Are you kidding me. As I have stated time and time again: That place is scamming people left and right. If you can convince a person to pay $ to sit in the right seat of a 121 operation....that is called a SCAM. Period. No debate. They market the scam as "paying for real airline experience." But the truth is you are being scammed as the owners laugh all the way to the bank. People need to wake up.
Bottom line, if you attend GA or are affiliated with it in any way or in any capacity, you are the laughing stock of the industry. That is the truth. You are not, and will not ever have the respect of the professional pilot groups in this industry. That's a fact.
Those of you defending that joke of a training school: WAKE UP!

 

[Max Q]

Scam? No. If Gulfstream can convince you to pay to fly their airplanes, you are a damn fool.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Just another nail in the coffin for Gulfstream. That place is a joke. Anyone associated with that place is tainted for life.

What about the Comair pilots who did the same thing? Tainted for life?

 

[Raskal]

What about the Comair pilots who did the same thing? Tainted for life?

Of course not silly! They have been absolved by the authority vested in FI.com of all that messy stuff. Now it's GIA folks. Oh, and Gojets. Oops, almost forgot, Mesa too.

Yup, those are all the people who will never get a job in this town again! Seriously!

Oh, almost forgot, I think Great Lakes is on the no-no list too now. Something about not having the spine to strike over only having one set of approach plates or something...

Maybe we should have a sticky thread with a up to date list of the airlines people aren't allowed to have worked for.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We all know how licenses are issued. Do you have any idea how the process works? Designated Examiners issue boatloads of certificates hand over fist at that place. They are turning them over like a factory. This is how the pilot mills work. They send hundreds if not thousands of students to these Examiners who in turn pass the majority of them making big bucks in the process. If an Examiner began failing multiple students from that academy, Gulfstream would just send their students to someone else.

It still amazes me that there are still people who are defending a place like Gulfstream Academy. Are you kidding me. As I have stated time and time again: That place is scamming people left and right. If you can convince a person to pay $ to sit in the right seat of a 121 operation....that is called a SCAM. Period. No debate. They market the scam as "paying for real airline experience." But the truth is you are being scammed as the owners laugh all the way to the bank. People need to wake up.
Bottom line, if you attend GA or are affiliated with it in any way or in any capacity, you are the laughing stock of the industry. That is the truth. You are not, and will not ever have the respect of the professional pilot groups in this industry. That's a fact.
Those of you defending that joke of a training school: WAKE UP!

When GIA and GTA is viewed through the lens of the unfettered free market, what is the problem....? GIA and GTA are great capitialistic entities. Captitalism is great for America....


Are you saying you are for govt intervention and regulation...... are you calling for more govt here?

 

[jetracer5]

We all know how licenses are issued. Do you have any idea how the process works? Designated Examiners issue boatloads of certificates hand over fist at that place. They are turning them over like a factory. This is how the pilot mills work. They send hundreds if not thousands of students to these Examiners who in turn pass the majority of them making big bucks in the process. If an Examiner began failing multiple students from that academy, Gulfstream would just send their students to someone else.

You are clueless! Gulfstream does not even give out pilot certificates! Sounds more like your bashing ATP and those pilot schools. Maybe before you try and bash a subject maybe you should try and do some research on the subject first.

Yes I flew a E-120 for Gulfstream a long time ago. Do I regret doing it....nope not at all. Training department was fine. Just as good or better than any other carrier I have trained with since then. Remember there are A LOT of ex gulfstream pilots out there. I will defend that gulfstream training or operations had nothing to do with any of the previous crashes. Just 2 pilots that didnt do the right thing. But I will not defend the company. I quit there for just the reasons they got fined for. Maint was scary. Write ups would get signed off with out ever being worked on and other issues like that. Im glad thay got fined. Should of happened a long time ago. The whole flight ops managment department was a freaking circus show! And by that I really think some of them are in the circus......

 

[Papps]

Well right or wrong, GIA pilots are building a legacy of involvement with fatal air crashes. It could be that GIA is flooding the Regional industry with pilots and if there is an accident it is probable that a GIA pilot is onboard (probably), or that GIA pilots never got the chance to develop aeronautical decision making in the real world (who knows). Or just coincidence(maybe).

 

[SEVEN]

When GIA and GTA is viewed through the lens of the unfettered free market, what is the problem....? GIA and GTA are great capitialistic entities. Captitalism is great for America....


Are you saying you are for govt intervention and regulation...... are you calling for more govt here?

If they are breaking the law, then of course the Feds should jump in. They are carrying the public. I think history will show that paying to sit in the right is bad for the industry as a whole. Passengers are NOT safe on Gulfstream Airplanes. Continenal should pull the plug ASAP. Gulfstream is falsifiying pilot records and has shown a history of illegal training practices. Would you put your loved ones on that B1900? Of course not. This world will be a much better place when Gulfstream finally is forced to close its doors like Jet University. The "Bad Guys" always lose in the end. Again, those that are blind and continue to preach the praises of that illegal operation, you are wrong again. How many dead Gulfstream Pilots do you need before you wake up. Get a clue.

 

[SEVEN]

You are clueless! Gulfstream does not even give out pilot certificates! Sounds more like your bashing ATP and those pilot schools. Maybe before you try and bash a subject maybe you should try and do some research on the subject first.

Yes I flew a E-120 for Gulfstream a long time ago. Do I regret doing it....nope not at all. Training department was fine. Just as good or better than any other carrier I have trained with since then. Remember there are A LOT of ex gulfstream pilots out there. I will defend that gulfstream training or operations had nothing to do with any of the previous crashes. Just 2 pilots that didnt do the right thing. But I will not defend the company. I quit there for just the reasons they got fined for. Maint was scary. Write ups would get signed off with out ever being worked on and other issues like that. Im glad thay got fined. Should of happened a long time ago. The whole flight ops managment department was a freaking circus show! And by that I really think some of them are in the circus......

My point exactly! Why am I not surprised that another former GIAer is defending the training operations at GIA. What a big surprise. You just can't let it go. It's okay to be honest with yourself. That's part of the healing process. We all make mistakes in our pilot journey. But you can't move forward until you admit you were dooped into one of the greatest scams of our generation. Let me put it this way: You are wrong and the rest of the clear thinking folks are right. That place needs to be shut down yesterday! Period.

 

[jetracer5]

My point exactly! Why am I not surprised that another former GIAer is defending the training operations at GIA. What a big surprise. You just can't let it go. It's okay to be honest with yourself. That's part of the healing process. We all make mistakes in our pilot journey. But you can't move forward until you admit you were dooped into one of the greatest scams of our generation. Let me put it this way: You are wrong and the rest of the clear thinking folks are right. That place needs to be shut down yesterday! Period.

Oh how soon we forget! ASA,Comair,CoEX and a bunch of other were all PFT back in the day when there was a surplus of pilots. Now that there is a shortage they all dropped the PFT. Im sure that there are a ton of late 90's new hires that would think different of your scam idea. So i guess all these airlines are scams? Now gulfstream still found a way to keep PFT going for them selfs by putting 250hr pilots in the right seat. Now days we have 250hr pilots in the right seat of E-175's and CRJ-900's! Would you rather have a 250hr pilot in a 1900 or a 76 seat jet?

 

[jetracer5]

We all make mistakes in our pilot journey.

Says the guys with 6000+hrs in a SAAB? What not cut out for the majors or would they just not hire you?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If they are breaking the law, then of course the Feds should jump in.

Depends on the Admin... labor and other laws and often ignored foe the benefit of consumerism.

They are carrying the public. I think history will show that paying to sit in the right is bad for the industry as a whole.

For whom? The revenue generators? We already accept a level of fatalities on the highway.

Passengers are NOT safe on Gulfstream Airplanes. Continenal should pull the plug ASAP. Gulfstream is falsifiying pilot records and has shown a history of illegal training practices. Would you put your loved ones on that B1900? Of course not. This world will be a much better place when Gulfstream finally is forced to close its doors like Jet University. The "Bad Guys" always lose in the end. Again, those that are blind and continue to preach the praises of that illegal operation, you are wrong again. How many dead Gulfstream Pilots do you need before you wake up. Get a clue.

Colgan probbably is a good deal for CAL... better than XJT.


Look, pilots, when they become consumers in other industries want the max for the min. So why do you expect passengers to be any different. Safety is not the pax's problem.....

I agree with you, just presenting a different perspective...

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Says the guys with 6000+hrs in a SAAB? What not cut out for the majors or would they just not hire you?

If he would have went the PFt route he would be a lot further in his career than puttin around at 16,000 ft at 6000 hours. He has probably never even used a HF radio. Probably has DUIs or something and he can't progress. A lot of these guys that dump on Pfters are insecure about their own careers and it makes them feel better to crap on others. LOSER

 

[Lord Wakefield]

There's another piece in the Wall Street Journal today.

www.wsj.com

 

[COOPERVANE]

"If he would have went".....................really?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

family lawsuits will extend beyond Colgan to GIA/GTA.... ouch....

 

[MEXICANFLYBOY]

They could get shut down. Remember now the families of all the people that died in those crashes will now line up and sue the crap out of Gulfstream Academy.

I see a bunch of folks jumping ship over there very soon.

I read the USA article, but I never found that Gulfstream airlines was at no fault, and they don't even have Q400 airplanes, I don't see any conection here... I am sorry I just had to say something... they are two differnent companies and they don't even opearte the same routes.

sorry Wsurf, but I just don't see any conection to the article between Colgan and Gulfstream..

 

[JustaNumber]

I read the USA article, but I never found that Gulfstream airlines was at no fault, and they don't even have Q400 airplanes, I don't see any conection here... I am sorry I just had to say something... they are two differnent companies and they don't even opearte the same routes.

sorry Wsurf, but I just don't see any conection to the article between Colgan and Gulfstream..

You have to draw your own conclusion. The common thread amongst almost all of the recent regional crashes is they had Gulfstream trained pilots on board, and the crashes were due specifically to faulty airmanship. To spell it out for you, if their foundation of training was not solid, it would explain the large coincidence. Is that really the case? It's up to the reader to decide. I don't see any problem with giving everyone the facts and letting the market decide.

 

[JustaNumber]

Scam? No. If Gulfstream can convince you to pay to fly their airplanes, you are a damn fool.

The scam is not on the paying passenger in the right seat, as he knows what he is getting into. The real scam is on the paying passengers in the back, who are unaware of the training taking place on their flight. I believe in full disclosure: tell the passengers when they purchase their tickets. That way, no scam, and the market will kill this scumbag outfit. At least these articles are starting to let the public know what it is they are really buying.