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Gulfstream fined $1.3M for faking pilot records

Oakum_Boy

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WSJ article.

Eventually Karma would catch up with these clowns. Attention: if you "graduated" in your little uniform from Gulfstream, the world now knows your license is worth zero. Actually about $25,000.
 
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That is one of the finest article's I've ever read in USAToday. Includes all the relevant facts and lets the reader draw the (obvious) conclusion. The silly quote from the website emphasizes the amateur and foolish nature of the whole operation.
 

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Bystrom said. "We don't compromise on safety," he said.

Uh, I guess the FAA would beg to differ, since they are fining you $1.3 mil.
 

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People can still recover from the fine, shut them down and revoke ANY opportunity to re-start up.
 

se1776

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I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE MAMA's BOYS AND GIRL's

GREAT AT LEAST THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE LOW WAGES
COMPANIES.

THEY SHOULD FINE EVERY SINLE ONE OF THEM AND CLOSED THEM DOWN.
MAYBE THAT WAY THE PILOT GROUP GET PAID BETTER.
 

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People can still recover from the fine, shut them down and revoke ANY opportunity to re-start up.

They could get shut down. Remember now the families of all the people that died in those crashes will now line up and sue the crap out of Gulfstream Academy.

I see a bunch of folks jumping ship over there very soon.
 

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People can still recover from the fine, shut them down and revoke ANY opportunity to re-start up.

They'll just pass the cost along to their paying passengers. The price for a ticket on a Gulfstream flight will go up now. (waiting...waiting...)
 

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wow.. that is pretty startling evidence if the FO on comair, the CPT on Colgan and both crewmembers of the pinnacle flight were all gulfstream grads.

that is a link that is hard to ignore
 

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It looks like they'll have to start raising tuition to cover the fine.
 

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I'm surprised the media hasn't figured this one out yet...

What do the former VP of Flight Ops at Gulfstream, the former Director of the Training Center at Pinnacle, and the President of Colgan Air all have in common?

They are all the same man. And he's not a pilot, not by a long shot.
 

Cardinal

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1.3 Mil...That should only require 52 more "paid first officers" to take care of that bill.
 

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They could get shut down. Remember now the families of all the people that died in those crashes will now line up and sue the crap out of Gulfstream Academy.

I see a bunch of folks jumping ship over there very soon.


You guys are running wild with this one. Read the article again. While I don't care much for GA and their practices, the fine issued by the FAA has nothing to do with any connection to GA and those accidents. There's two different stories here morphed into one. The fine was issued strictly for falsification of pilot logs and shady maintenance.

Do I think GA's extremely unorthodox way of training had anything to do with those accidents? Sure. But unfortunately at this point it's all intangible speculation.
 

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Still, that size fine on that small of an operation is going to hurt financially, let alone from a public-confidence perspective.
 

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WSJ article.

Eventually Karma would catch up with these clowns. Attention: if you "graduated" in your little uniform from Gulfstream, the world now knows your license is worth zero. Actually about $25,000.

Ummm....I think their licenses were issued by the same authority that your licenses were issued. I think you need to recollect your thoughts and try that one again.
 

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You guys are running wild with this one. Read the article again. While I don't care much for GA and their practices, the fine issued by the FAA has nothing to do with any connection to GA and those accidents. There's two different stories here morphed into one. The fine was issued strictly for falsification of pilot logs and shady maintenance.

Do I think GA's extremely unorthodox way of training had anything to do with those accidents? Sure. But unfortunately at this point it's all intangible speculation.

Wait till Lawyers get a hold of it. They and the families WILL make a connection. Our society is all about getting sued and making a dollar. This just might make it to Gulfstream Academy.
 

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Just another nail in the coffin for Gulfstream. That place is a joke. Anyone associated with that place is tainted for life.
 
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