Gotta love that SWA culture.....SWA considers stand alone Airtran, if.......

[CaptWidgeon]

I wonder if any former ATA pilots would take a staple?

the funny thing about this line is one of the guys on their MEC is ex-ata who hates swa. supposedly this guy was one of the leaders pushing hard to not let aip-1 go to the pilots for a vote. heard from an aai guy that this guy leaked the latest info and aai flt ops is not happy.

 

[flynvixen]

Sounds great for future morale..... way to go there guys! Make sure 1700 pilots feel "welcome" to the family. What a mess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

The only way you guys would be happy is if the SWAPA guys were staples to the bottom of you list.......dont forget you were acquired not merged or hired !!!

 

[flynvixen]

I'd be concerned about these statements if I were an Air Tran pilot. Remember ATA? SW gutted ATA and all those guys ended up on the streets. It's great from a SW pilot's point of view, because management looks out for their own. Way better that what happened with us. Doug threw us under the bus, and we were the pilot's from the Acquiring airline!:beer:

quite a few ATA guys ended up at SWA if they were worth a $hit and after they interviewed.........the citrus fools are being handed it all and they are still not happy........they never will be happy

 

[flynvixen]

The gun to the head finally makes the news. Vote yes or die. Funny how it contradicts everything GK said to win approval for this deal through the government regulators a few months ago. My magic 8-ball predicts a bunch of lawsuits in the future.

I still can't understand why the SWA side wouldn't vote this down. It seems the only way to prevent integration at all. If I were a SWAPA pilot I'd be furious that a bunch of young AT pilots are gonna be placed ahead of me. Maybe they'll wise up and vote no.

you got that right .......I voted no on the first day hope the rest of the SWAPA crew does the same, we get nothing out of this deal in fact we are the losers in this deal.......SWA will never be the same, these fools will never be happy here........its been a good ride but the end is in sight I fear.

 

[GuppyWN]

Hey Vixen,

When you're through reading How to Win Friends and Influence People can I borrow it?

Gup

 

[humveedriver]

you got that right .......I voted no on the first day hope the rest of the SWAPA crew does the same, we get nothing out of this deal in fact we are the losers in this deal.......SWA will never be the same, these fools will never be happy here........its been a good ride but the end is in sight I fear.

So true..

I personaly, have been stock piling torches in my east Texas compound so that we can burn SWA down. The ALPA job killing machine is just getting getting warmed up! Certain doom is approaching... Spooky huh?

Happy Halloween Fly Guy

 

[flynvixen]

Delta bud told me last night that DPA Delta Pilot Association is up to 4000 signatures and expect 6000 shortly. Losing Airtran guys coupled with the DFR lawsuit that's sure to come followed by the loss of Delta ......well....ALPA is on Life Support...

Delta bud told me ALPA National secretaries are making more than many Delta pilots....

No wonder OYS is whacked..........

Godspeed!!! Buh Bye!

ALPA should be outlawed .....check out what the ALPA president is making it's around $600K ......good work if you can get it it's all about ALPA

 

[slaquer5]

Hey Vixen,

When you're through reading How to Win Friends and Influence People can I borrow it?

Gup

I have gut feeling he is using that book to prop up a table.

 

[PropPiedmont]

ALPA should be outlawed .....check out what the ALPA president is making it's around $600K ......good work if you can get it it's all about ALPA

Crazy. You can have a low end SWAPA job and make $600K.

 

[flynvixen]

Hey Vixen,

When you're through reading How to Win Friends and Influence People can I borrow it?

Gup

Hey Guppy,
trust me there is no winning this group of "friends" they wanted it all, they did not get it all and now they are going to come on board and start trying to burn our house down.

Enjoy the culture while we still have a little bit left, between the 3G's soon to be 4G's and now the citrus malcontents this place will be like all the other airlines that ALPA has touched.....the citrus guys are bringing their ALPA virus with them and it will infect the culture, the company and all else that is SWA........god I hope they vote it down.

 

[pilotgolfer]

quite a few ATA guys ended up at SWA if they were worth a $hit and after they interviewed.........the citrus fools are being handed it all and they are still not happy........they never will be happy

So what are you implying about the rest of us? Is insulting a great group of pilots part of your culture?

 

[madjack]

My magic 8-ball predicts a bunch of lawsuits in the future.


Hog wash, if both groups vote it in,there will be no basis for a law suit...we are doing this to ourselves...

 

[dh82dvr]

This message is hidden because flynvixen is on your ignore list.

:beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

Hey Guppy,
trust me there is no winning this group of "friends" they wanted it all, they did not get it all and now they are going to come on board and start trying to burn our house down.

Enjoy the culture while we still have a little bit left, between the 3G's soon to be 4G's and now the citrus malcontents this place will be like all the other airlines that ALPA has touched.....the citrus guys are bringing their ALPA virus with them and it will infect the culture, the company and all else that is SWA........god I hope they vote it down.

Here's my take. Negotiations are over. They fought like hell. We fought like hell. If the vote gets passed by both groups it will BE OVER. I will have said my peace and tried to "get it all" for my side just like I expected them to do for their side.

If either group fails to ratify the agreement THEN we can return to the ring and try to beat each others brains out.

Gup

 

[e=mc2]

It is called the ALPO Job Killing Machine, because it is.

 

[On Your Six]

No it's called SWAPA, the culture killing machine. If everyone signs an agreement to follow the SLI procedure via a certain way(negotiate, then mediate, then arbitrate) and then not follow it, with management actually siding with one side and pressuring the other (maybe with certain retired individuals), then that can kill something special. People don't forget that.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[JT12345]

Hey Gup,

This is a first for me on FI.

This message is hidden because flynvixen is on your ignore list.

When we fly together plz tell me who this is, so I can avoid this loony tune.

 

[Fubijaakr]

When you're through reading How to Win Friends and Influence People can I borrow it?

Gup,

These two are seriously giving your pilot group a BAD name.

 

[say again]

So your judging a pilot group based on 2 anonymous FI posters?

 

[Fubijaakr]

No, they're just the most obnoxious. Their general opinion seems to be the consensus over there.

 

[Captain Fulough]

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

It's called career expectations lady. Any arbitrator would look at that. If the largest thing your airline had was an RJ, it would be placed below everything larger. When ASA and Comair were bought, the smallest thing Delta had was a 737-200, and the biggest thing they had was a BAe-146 (5 allowed) at ASA, and CR7s at Comair, all smaller than the 737-200. Your opinion is WRONG.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I swear to god OYS you are the stupidest person here. DID DAL AND CMR INTEGRATE? Of course not! That WAS my point! the person I was replying to was wrong. You need to go back to MS flightsim and your spank magazines and leave this discussion to the adults!

 

[General Lee]

I swear to god OYS you are the stupidest person here. DID DAL AND CMR INTEGRATE? Of course not! That WAS my point! the person I was replying to was wrong. You need to go back to MS flightsim and your spank magazines and leave this discussion to the adults!

Thanks Rosie, but I wrote that, and you do need a history lesson. Your points are consistantly wrong, and you need to go back to your regional board and ASA threads where you feel more comfortable. Oh wait, you are a DL pilot.......riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Or a lav dumper.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flynvixen]

No it's called SWAPA, the culture killing machine. If everyone signs an agreement to follow the SLI procedure via a certain way(negotiate, then mediate, then arbitrate) and then not follow it, with management actually siding with one side and pressuring the other (maybe with certain retired individuals), then that can kill something special. People don't forget that.


Godspeed!


OYS

My point exactly .........Management steps in to keep a group of pilots from fighting over the definition of is is and get this deal done in the best interest of the COMPANY.....remember they are the ones that write the pay checks !!!!! not ALPA and you guys cry that you were not able to drag this into the courts for months or years.....

I have no doubt that some if not most of you will never forget, will never be happy here, will find fault with all things SWA, will bitch and complain and in general make those of us that were HIRED miserable. You guys got a big raise, or had a shot at it until ALPA F ed it up for most of you and now because you did not get everything ALPA promised your mad.....

GMAFB please and get the PDC and push call and STFU.....forever please.

If its that bad a deal coming over here then please VOTE NO and see where you end up next.

 

[humveedriver]

My point exactly .........Management steps in to keep a group of pilots from fighting over the definition of is is and get this deal done in the best interest of the COMPANY.....remember they are the ones that write the pay checks !!!!! not ALPA and you guys cry that you were not able to drag this into the courts for months or years.....
I have no doubt that some if not most of you will never forget, will never be happy here, will find fault with all things SWA, will bitch and complain and in general make those of us that were HIRED miserable. You guys got a big raise, or had a shot at it until ALPA F ed it up for most of you and now because you did not get everything ALPA promised your mad.....
GMAFB please and get the PDC and push call and STFU.....forever please.

If its that bad a deal coming over here then please VOTE NO and see where you end up next.

Out of morbid curiousity, how did you vote Vixen? Once we finally get this deal behind us what advice do you have for your new brothers and sisters? Have you considered volunteering your talents to be some type of an ambassador to the AirTran pilots. Perhaps when we go through transition training goji could come in and give a motivational speech or something. That would be special.

 

[tankerhead]

He voted no with extreme prejudice. I remember the post.

 

[madjack]

Call FV what you want but he is consistent and votes his convictions. If the AAI pilots are unhappy with the deal, vote it down...if Mr K tries to shut you down...sue SWA, you do not have to accept SL 10, but you will have to accept the consequences of a yes/no outcome...

 

[Fubijaakr]

I guarantee Lyinvixin will be getting a call from prostans as soon as the deal is done. If SWAPA has that committee, that is. Considering the BS you boys toss around here, that's extremely doubtful.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I guarantee Lyinvixin will be getting a call from prostans as soon as the deal is done. If SWAPA has that committee, that is. Considering the BS you boys toss around here, that's extremely doubtful.

Why should he get a call?

He cant have an opinion on an anonymous board?

 

[humveedriver]

Call FV what you want but he is consistent and votes his convictions. If the AAI pilots are unhappy with the deal, vote it down...if Mr K tries to shut you down...sue SWA, you do not have to accept SL 10, but you will have to accept the consequences of a yes/no outcome...

Madjack, our DOH's are two months apart. You will occupy the 737 seat I am vacating. Can't you just smile and be happy? Heck I'll be your sim partner if it makes you happy?