Good job ASA alpa....

[ohplease!]

I don't post here often, but the way I see it, we need to be dual qualified, with PBS to financialy compete with the other DCI cariers. If we don't grow, we will shrink even more. I'm not doom and gloom. ASA is largest DCI operator out there, but we need to remain that way. We need to let management be able to bid for more flying so we can bring eveyone back and hopefully continue to grow.

I think dual-qual MAY get us new bases....

 

[socrates1]

I'm not a big fan of living in the ATL. My kids are being subjected to "the black way of life". I'm content with ASA, I don't want to commute. I will commute before my little girl comes home and says "hey daddy meet my new boy friend Tirone". If we could secure a new base outside of ATL I would move. It would have to be established for a few years before I would move. DFW was great. SLC and LAX would have been an improvement. I need to see some stability before I would pack up and move my family.

 

[mightyM]

I'm not a big fan of living in the ATL. My kids are being subjected to "the black way of life". I'm content with ASA, I don't want to commute. I will commute before my little girl comes home and says "hey daddy meet my new boy friend Tirone". If we could secure a new base outside of ATL I would move. It would have to be established for a few years before I would move. DFW was great. SLC and LAX would have been an improvement. I need to see some stability before I would pack up and move my family.

Sorry buddy your not going to see that in the regionals.

 

[ohplease!]

I'm not a big fan of living in the ATL. My kids are being subjected to "the black way of life". I'm content with ASA, I don't want to commute. I will commute before my little girl comes home and says "hey daddy meet my new boy friend Tirone". If we could secure a new base outside of ATL I would move. It would have to be established for a few years before I would move. DFW was great. SLC and LAX would have been an improvement. I need to see some stability before I would pack up and move my family.

what if she says "hey daddy meet my new boyfriend Fernando/hammed/Alan" and he beats the hell out of me? "well honey, at least he's not black, OMG thanks for not dating a black guy.....moron.

The "black way of life" can be learned ANYWHERE! idiot.

Too bad someone didn't exterminate you before you multiplied.

 

[socrates1]

Sorry buddy your not going to see that in the regionals.

I'm not going to see what in the regionals?

 

[socrates1]

what if she says "hey daddy meet my new boyfriend Fernando/hammed/Alan" and he beats the hell out of me? "well honey, at least he's not black, OMG thanks for not dating a black guy.....moron.

The "black way of life" can be learned ANYWHERE! idiot.

Too bad someone didn't exterminate you before you multiplied.

"the black Of life" is impressed upon ever white person in ATL every day of the year. We are forced to accept it.

 

[HA25]

I'm not a big fan of living in the ATL. My kids are being subjected to "the black way of life". I'm content with ASA, I don't want to commute. I will commute before my little girl comes home and says "hey daddy meet my new boy friend Tirone". If we could secure a new base outside of ATL I would move. It would have to be established for a few years before I would move. DFW was great. SLC and LAX would have been an improvement. I need to see some stability before I would pack up and move my family.

You've been warned via pm for your racist comments in the forums, the next time it will be permanent ban.

As a former ASA pilot myself, I want to add my Bravo to those guys.. and request the there be no further hi-jack of this otherwise useful thread..

GASP... I'm might be finding myself agreeing with JB on something!

 

[socrates1]

Like I said early guys, "I don't post here often". I'm and "old guy". I'm just going to raise my kids. ASA can make it if we let them. If you don't like it, try somewhere else. If you can find another job, good. There aren't many out there. I hope all the furloghed ASA guys can find jobs until they get back at ASA. After that, come fly with me (The old guy) who has to get at 4:00 AM and drive RJ's.

Good night

 

[JoeMerchant]

I ask two questions, both have factual answers and you get defensive. Facts are good and will help people make an educated decision. What's the problem?

Fact is I'm interested in all regional contracts as we all work off of each others progress.

Or are these facts top secret?

The fact of the matter is you and I are competitors...We have to compete for a smaller piece of the pie, and cost is a big factor in that. We don't "work off of each other's progress" anymore....We know have to do what is best for us....If you want to preach to us about getting more for PBS, then I will preach to you about settling for lower FO pay than ASA or CMR had.

Go preach to the PNCL pilots who have a TA that isn't even close to XJT or ASA....We will do what is best for us...

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think dual-qual MAY get us new bases....

I agree...PBS is a good start. Dual-qual should be next.

 

[ohplease!]

I agree...PBS is a good start. Dual-qual should be next.

perhaps the efficiencies of PBS will allow for enough "wiggle room" for Brad & co. to position us for more flying in the nearer future....

and just maybe, dual-qual could open a new base or two and we can get our furloughed pilots back in a seat.

I'd trade dual-qual for an agreement to get Skywest out of our front yard and get our guys back to work...there would need to be tight language to get and keep this before I signed off on it though.

One list might make even more sense....but, I'll take baby steps....just keep moving forward and keep a good eye on our "backside"

 

[maxcackel]

Then I suggest you worry about getting 60% of capt. pay for FOs and let ASA pilots worry about the PBS TA....In other words we don't really care what you think....Go lecture the Pinnacle pilots about their TA that undercuts all of us....

Nice attack Joe, way to answer his valid question with "nana nana boo boo, I know you are but what am I" come back. Awesome.

 

[JoeMerchant]

perhaps the efficiencies of PBS will allow for enough "wiggle room" for Brad & co. to position us for more flying in the nearer future....

and just maybe, dual-qual could open a new base or two and we can get our furloughed pilots back in a seat.

I'd trade dual-qual for an agreement to get Skywest out of our front yard and get our guys back to work...there would need to be tight language to get and keep this before I signed off on it though.

One list might make even more sense....but, I'll take baby steps....just keep moving forward and keep a good eye on our "backside"

Well said.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nice attack Joe, way to answer his valid question with "nana nana boo boo, I know you are but what am I" come back. Awesome.

I'm just tired of pilots from other regionals lecturing us about "holding the line" and "you can do better"...The whole point of this is to reduce our costs so we can compete with the other regionals who have lower costs than us...It defeats the whole purpose of going to PBS if you demand too much for it..If you are going to do that, then forget PBS altogether...

He wants us to raise our costs...This doesn't affect him....

It's not that I am "better" than him....I just don't care what he thinks...It's not his decision...

 

[maxcackel]

I ask two questions, both have factual answers and you get defensive. Facts are good and will help people make an educated decision. What's the problem?

Fact is I'm interested in all regional contracts as we all work off of each others progress.

Or are these facts top secret?

Sorry about that Baronman. I know a lot of our current contract was mirrored off of your contract so thanks for that. Facts seem to be in short supply, but plenty of "I believe, I hope, we should get, I talked to someone in the know and they said management said we will get more flying". I have not seen or heard of any actual numbers on cost savings for the company.

 

[ohplease!]

Again, what are you getting in return for instituting PBS?

let me see if I can answer that:

looks like it'll give us better control over our schedule in several ways.
- twice daily opentime/swap with instantanious approval/denial based strictly on legality and seniority (far better than what we have now IMO)
-slightly higher vacation day credit
-slightly higher min day credit
-ground school "evening shift" during week only...I like this one.
-final schedules out sooner (20th rather that 27th) for planing my life
-I will actually be able to plan something on the first 3 days of the month (no more integration)


among others things.....again, this is all sounding pretty good. There are several things (upgrades IMO) that I had not and probably would not have thought to ask for.

all I can say right now is Kuddos to the alpa guys. NOW give me all the details and lets tighten up whats a little loose (if anything).

 

[Baronman]

let me see if I can answer that:

looks like it'll give us better control over our schedule in several ways.
- twice daily opentime/swap with instantanious approval/denial based strictly on legality and seniority (far better than what we have now IMO)
-slightly higher vacation day credit
-slightly higher min day credit
-ground school "evening shift" during week only...I like this one.
-final schedules out sooner (20th rather that 27th) for planing my life
-I will actually be able to plan something on the first 3 days of the month (no more integration)

(if anything).

Thanks for some solid info.

JoeMerchant....I know your type. Say no more. Best of luck.

 

[SiuDude]

-final schedules out sooner (20th rather that 27th) for planing my life
-I will actually be able to plan something on the first 3 days of the month (no more integration)

A little fact-check here. We currently get our final schedules on the 24th (not the 27th) and we have a pretty good idea of what we're going to be doing on the 14th/15th. With PBS, since there are no more "revised" schedules, the first look you get at the next month's schedule will be the 20th, almost a week later.

 

[Smacktard]

No thanks on dual qual. Thats a sizeable paycut for 1/3 of the pilot group. Vacation, training, min day credit etc all paid at lower rate.

 

[ohplease!]

A little fact-check here. We currently get our final schedules on the 24th (not the 27th) and we have a pretty good idea of what we're going to be doing on the 14th/15th. With PBS, since there are no more "revised" schedules, the first look you get at the next month's schedule will be the 20th, almost a week later.

not entirely true. True, a general idea on the 14th but no idea if initial open time swap/drops are approved or if you've been integrated until the 27th. Semantics.