GoJet strikes a wingtip on landing

[dvmthwsvan]

Time to take another plane from ASA!

Then I guess it's time for ASA to take another from Comair!

 

[Erlanger]

Which wing contacted the runway?

Left wing - too much correction for the crosswind.
Right wing - no correction for the crosswind or using aileron to decrab instead of rudder (and the wind brought the left wing up).

My guess is the right wing, as I have seen instances of very poor crosswind technique both at the regionals and at the majors.

On CRJs it's usually the up wing (downwind) that gets dropped and struck cos when the main touches some pilots think they're done flying and take out the correction or are afraid to keep it in or they're lazy. Got to keep that correction in till all wheels are down and the airplane decelerates. Bombardier has determined that a bank of more then 10 degrees on the upwind wing will strike the wing.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I can't believe people who get paid to fly passengers are having a discussion about what is and isn't proper crosswind technique. Simply unbelievable.

 

[Max Q]

You can't believe that people are talking about flying on an internet forum for pilots?

 

[RJLoser]

I can't believe people who get paid to fly passengers are having a discussion about what is and isn't proper crosswind technique. Simply unbelievable.

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[damnflyboy]

OK. Seriously. What in the he11 is a "crosswind landing?"

 

[SplitBar]

Mesaba had a wingtip strike a few years ago on the CRJ900. The plane flew for 4 days before a Captain finally noticed the damage on a post flight walk around as the offending crew never bothered to write it up and a dozen pre flights went by without anyone noticing either.

 

[rjacobs]

a Captain finally noticed the damage on a post flight walk around

A captain doing a walk around? Must have been in Mexico, the Caribbean or Florida.

 

[acpilot]

I can't believe people who get paid to fly passengers are having a discussion about what is and isn't proper crosswind technique. Simply unbelievable.

Got that right. These are our "professionals."

 

[Captainzero1]

I can't believe people who get paid to fly passengers are having a discussion about what is and isn't proper crosswind technique. Simply unbelievable.

Based on that logic why go do a pc you already know everything after all you fly pax so why should your company bother checking you.
It is just technique being discussed, x-wind techniques are different for every plane, ever fly the md-11, those fedex guys were a hell of alot more experienced than me and screwed the pooch unfortunately.

 

[Freebrd]

ahh but if they had asked tower for wind check all would be well.

 

[101040]

Good post, most of the people that sit in judgement and make the the rules fly the line very little. They should have LCPs on the ERC and SOP committees instead of corporate ladder climbers.

 

[flyboyzii]

Maybe it was one of the TSA guys that crossed the line.

It couldn't have been a TSA guy. They didn't go flying off the end of the runway.

 

[777forever]

IOE flight. Female FO new hire. Thats what ive heard so far

 

[Max Q]

To discuss the mistakes of others is completely unprofessional.

You should all be ashamed.

 

[sperfly]

Then I guess it's time for ASA to take another from Comair!

At least if Delta gives ASA another plane from Comair it won't be flown at a loss of $

 

[SLUF4]

i'd rather people talk about crosswind technique than bang up an airplane...but yeah that should have been learned a long time back

 

[SplitBar]

A captain doing a walk around? Must have been in Mexico, the Caribbean or Florida.

When I was at XJ the Captain was on the hook for a post flight walk around. FO's always did the pre flight walk around but the Capt always did the post flight walk around. It was a Capt who discovered the damage on a post flight walk around 4 days after the wing tip strike happened.

 

[DeucesWild]

I can't believe people who get paid to fly passengers are having a discussion about what is and isn't proper crosswind technique. Simply unbelievable.

This thread wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here viewing it, if someone at Gojets didn't just exhibit 'improper crosswind technique'.

I have seen poor or improper crosswind technique both at the regionals and at the majors, both from Captains and from FOs.

The fact that you can't believe there are some 'passenger flying professionals' that use poor crosswind technique tells me that every pilot at your airline exhibits perfect crosswind skills or you are one of the pilots that does not know or recognize the difference. I suspect the latter.

 

[JustaNumber]

This thread wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here viewing it, if someone at Gojets didn't just exhibit 'improper crosswind technique'.

I have seen poor or improper crosswind technique both at the regionals and at the majors, both from Captains and from FOs.

The fact that you can't believe there are some 'passenger flying professionals' that use poor crosswind technique tells me that every pilot at your airline exhibits perfect crosswind skills or you are one of the pilots that does not know or recognize the difference. I suspect the latter.

Very well said. I too have seen much too much poor technique by professionals who you would think would have it down by now. This is an area where I think former CFIs (especially tailwheel guys) may do better than some others--the whole primacy of training thing. I think many pilots who never had really solid primary training can get away with a lot of poor crosswind technique because of the forgiveness of tricycle-gear airplanes, most of the time. It would be interesting to see the type of previous experience of the pilot involved here.