GJET PAY vs TSA...duh!!

temcgrew

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This is G-Jet :

-Hourly Rates based on scheduled time
-70 hr month guarantee
-Scheduled min 9 days off per month
-Schedules bid month or two months, even quarterly in advance
-Paid Vacation after 1 yr- 1wk after 3 yr- 2wk after 10 yr- 3wk
-Paid sick leave- 1.5 hr each month of active service
-non-rev travel benefits
-Health insurance 105 mo. for you 350 mo for your family
-dental
-life
-long term disability
-401k

Effective as of Jan 01, 2005
All rates are hourly and are paid per the SCHEDULED flight time

CAPTAINS

Less than 1 year 56.00
1-2 year 58.00
2-3 year 60.00
3-4 year 62.00
4-5 year 64.00
5-6 year 66.00
6-7 year 68.00
7-8 year 70.00
8-9 year 72.00
10-11 yr 74.00
11-12 yr 76.00
12-13 yr 78.00
13-14 yr 80.00
14-15 yr 84.00

First Officer

Less than 1 yr 22.29
1-2 yr 25.47
2-3 yr 33.45
3-4 yr 34.56

This is Trans States:

EMB145 CAPTAINS

Less than 1 year 55.00
1-2 year 57.00
2-3 year 59.00
3-4 year 60.00
4-5 year 62.00
5-6 year 64.00
6-7 year 66.00
7-8 year 68.00
8-9 year 70.00
10-11 yr 72.00
11-12 yr 74.00
12-13 yr 76.00
13-14 yr 79.00
14-15 yr 82.00

First Officer

Less than 1 yr 22.00
1-2 yr 25.00
2-3 yr 32.00
3-4 yr 33.00

The TSA numbers are from Airlinepilotcentral.com so could be a little off. I got the G-jet numbers from the "employment incentive offer" they offered us when they first started hiring. The offer was to keep vacation and pay but seniority would be date of hire. and people wondered why we didn't
flock there in masses. Block only is a BIG DEAL

The thing to remember here is that we are comparing a 50 seat jet with that of a 70 seat jet. The difference is only a dollar per hour and then goes up to 2 dollars per hour after three years. Check out airlinecentral.com and compare the J41 to the 145 pay and then compare G-jet with Horizon's 70 seat payscale! The difference starts at $12 per hour and goes up to $15!!

So yes, a pilot at TSA flying a 145 is getting payed more than the G-jet guys are. This is sad.
 

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The FO pay sucks for either operation.
 

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FO pay at TSA, actual numbers from contract:

0-1: 22.29
1-2: 25.46
2-3: 32.33
3-4: 33.46
4-5: 34.57

Hope GJ enjoys sitting on the taxiway at ORD, knowing the TSA guy in the 145 behind them are making money when they aren't.
 

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flyer172r said:
FO pay at TSA, actual numbers from contract:

0-1: 22.29
1-2: 25.46
2-3: 32.33
3-4: 33.46
4-5: 34.57

Hope GJ enjoys sitting on the taxiway at ORD, knowing the TSA guy in the 145 behind them are making money when they aren't.
Disgraceful isn't it? Why go to Go Jets when you could go somewhere else for better pay and QOL?
 

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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!

I make more than that at AWAC, with a concessionary contract, flying a 50-seat jet!

Industry leading payscales my A$$!

Rekks
 

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Its funny how fuelflow and his sidekicks won't chime in on this post. What wrong guys? You can't defend yourselves with these hard numbers? All of the ALPA stuff aside, you are flying 70 seaters around for NOTHING. Hell I make more money and am guaranteed at least 12 days off a month and I'm flying a 50 seater. What do you have to say for yourselves?
 
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logolight said:
The FO pay sucks for either operation.
Plus, the GJ pilots are sc@wed for life and blacklisted - they'll be flying those CR7s for the rest of their careers.... Doesn't that sound enticing?
 

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And the truth comes to light.........cmon G j pukes....got anything to say about that?!.........

THOUGHT NOT
 

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Rekks Inbound said:
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!

I make more than that at AWAC, with a concessionary contract, flying a 50-seat jet!

Industry leading payscales my A$$!

Rekks
You must be a First Officer, because the GJ Captain scale is higher than AWAC. Yes, there is no block or better. This is the company's INITIAL OFFER. It's higher than Mesa and roughly the same as Skywest minus their work rules and soft credits. I'm sure that BOB will be negotiated into the contract when all is said and done. And we have already agreed to 11-12 days off per month (persuant to the CBA passage).

As far as being blacklisted - we have had pilots already leave to go to the best airlines hiring now, including CAL. Considering the number of furloughed mainline pilots at GJ, I think it can only help your career prospects.
 

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fuelflow said:
You must be a First Officer, because the GJ Captain scale is higher than AWAC. Yes, there is no block or better. This is the company's INITIAL OFFER. It's higher than Mesa and roughly the same as Skywest minus their work rules and soft credits. I'm sure that BOB will be negotiated into the contract when all is said and done. And we have already agreed to 11-12 days off per month (persuant to the CBA passage).

As far as being blacklisted - we have had pilots already leave to go to the best airlines hiring now, including CAL. Considering the number of furloughed mainline pilots at GJ, I think it can only help your career prospects.
Fuel Flow,

"Stay on Target.............Stay on Target."

I love Star Wars. But I've always hated that guy. I don't hate you, just your decision to join the darkside. I just want to know why. I know everyone has a family to feed, and a new house, and other important stuff.

I'm not a mean person......I am however a TSA CA, and I just want to know why you decided to go to GJ's?

I am a big believer in there being 2 sides to every story, I'd like to know yours. I think a lot of people would.
 

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phishn@daves said:
Fuel Flow,

"Stay on Target.............Stay on Target."

I love Star Wars. But I've always hated that guy
Earlier this week, I saw that the guy who played that character just passed away. "One with the force, he is." (sorry, always loved Yoda, and yes I am that big a dork)
 

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fuelflow said:
It's higher than Mesa
Alright, the argument is completely over when you have to use that as your defense. Thank you for stopping yourself.

Go_Jets is a joke, its payscales and lack of block or better is a joke. It's hard to say, but G_J actually makes Mesa look like a good place to work.

Can't wait to have one of them ask for a ride. I don't really enjoy disliking other people, but you can't help but think that it's certain things that, if completely gone, would make this industry a better place to work. GJS is tops on that list.
 

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Fuel Flow,
Look at my profile, do you really think I'm an FO? And I said nothing about the hourly rates, all I need to do is have 1 hour (or less) over per trip and I exceed your pay rate. And that is to fly a 50 seat jet! Do you really think Hulas is going to match our pre-concessionary pay rates when we win our greivance? I think not. But thanks for setting the precedent that might make it harder for us (or any other carrier) to negotiate a better scale when that time comes.

And really, CAL? Their FO's only make marginally better money (per hour) than our's do after year 1. To fly an MD-80 or larger.

It's people like you who continue to drag this industry down with your personal selfishness.

Scum.

Sincerely,
Rekks
 

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So how do you propose to change this downward spiral?

It is a simple economic rule of supply and demand. Too many pilots willing to fly for $18,000 a year. If there were a need for pilots the salaries would go up.

So what is your plan? How do you propose to change it?


Rekks Inbound said:
Fuel Flow,
Look at my profile, do you really think I'm an FO? And I said nothing about the hourly rates, all I need to do is have 1 hour (or less) over per trip and I exceed your pay rate. And that is to fly a 50 seat jet! Do you really think Hulas is going to match our pre-concessionary pay rates when we win our greivance? I think not. But thanks for setting the precedent that might make it harder for us (or any other carrier) to negotiate a better scale when that time comes.

And really, CAL? Their FO's only make marginally better money (per hour) than our's do after year 1. To fly an MD-80 or larger.

It's people like you who continue to drag this industry down with your personal selfishness.

Scum.

Sincerely,
Rekks
 

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quite the basic solution elcapitan,

It's two-fold. First, I know its a lot harder to say than do, but put an end to cheaper-than-driving airfares. It's a good indication that if your airline is an initiator of low fares (airspam, jetblue, and SW), then your labor groups need to get their contracts up, reap more of the benefits, and force their companies to charge more. Then all airlines out there will be financially happy. Once that happens, regionals can follow suit by raising their individual bars (Even mesa and TSA), and they CAN raise the bar because the companies they feed for will be able to pay them more.


It's all about the money, and when there isn't much, we start to skimp and buy the cheapest.
 

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Rekks Inbound said:
Fuel Flow,
Look at my profile, do you really think I'm an FO? And I said nothing about the hourly rates, all I need to do is have 1 hour (or less) over per trip and I exceed your pay rate. And that is to fly a 50 seat jet! Do you really think Hulas is going to match our pre-concessionary pay rates when we win our greivance? I think not. But thanks for setting the precedent that might make it harder for us (or any other carrier) to negotiate a better scale when that time comes.

And really, CAL? Their FO's only make marginally better money (per hour) than our's do after year 1. To fly an MD-80 or larger.

It's people like you who continue to drag this industry down with your personal selfishness.

Scum.

Sincerely,
Rekks
So CAL pilots are the scum of the industry also? Coming from someone who drives an RJ around...nice! I guess you enjoy the big fish, little pond. Nice to be a regional lifer.
 

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roughly the same as Skywest minus their work rules and soft credits.
According to airlinepilotcentral.com, skywest only has one payrate for CRJ pilots. That would be the 50 seat AND the 70 seat jet. This is still not a good comparison since ITS THE SAME!!! At least ASA is willing to pay more to fly the bigger jet, albeit, not much more.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/49/17/


As far as Air Wiski? Are you really defending your pay rate that way? I would sure hope your 70 seat pay is more than AWiski's 50 SEAT PAY RATE. Next time take a look at the 146's pay, which is more comparable types of A/C.
Here is the link to that page.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/63/18/
 

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UEJ500,
Good point! And a perfect example of what G*jets 'contract' is doing to us all. The 146 payscale at AWAC is a much closer analogy, and it is LIGHT YEARS better than that other airlines' rates. Yet UAL dropped us for the mountain flying after April(yes, I know, G*jet won't be doing that flying either). But here is the point: instead of 'settling' for an industry substandard wage, we as a whole should at least be trying to maintain a higher 'bar'(I know, an over used term). But by going to that other alter-ego carrier, you have undermined everything that pilot labor groups before you have fought for.

AWAC had the industry leading contract up until October 13, 2003. That was when concessions kicked in. Why? Because we were under the (missrepresented) impression that we needed them to keep our flying for UAL.
Because of pilots who refuse to see the big picture career wise, you have done irrepairable damage to both the Trans States and AWAC pilot groups.

I will throw a party when G*jets reaps what they have sown.

Rekks
 

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flyer172r said:
Earlier this week, I saw that the guy who played that character just passed away. "One with the force, he is." (sorry, always loved Yoda, and yes I am that big a dork)
Yes.....you are.
 
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