General Lee

[FN FAL]

AH Ha! I knew people would quote me and Dave would still see it. Hilarious.

Dave,

We all have threats made toward us, but some of us have more leverage. Bankruptcy hinders your leverage somewhat. SkyWest at the time was full of people at the bottom that wanted to upgrade, and junior captains that wanted better QOL. That was a recipe for disaster, and only the senior Captains and management knew that. Now, everyone at SkyWest will have that agreement for a long time, and only Ron Reber and Jerry Atkin are jumping up and down for joy. Comair's pilots were put into a corner that you were not. Your company was not going to stop if you voted no. What would have happened had you voted no? United would not have just ftopped all of their West Coast feed, DEN feed, and some ORD feed immediately. What about a $5 an hour difference for the CR7? The reason I harp on this is because this agreement got the ball rolling to send this industry downhill. The Major side isn't doing much better, but we are in a corner and have to fight our way out. We actually brought the wage bar up to the highest it had ever been. That inturn helped Southwest and Fedex bring their wages up, and someday we hope to go back that way. What kind of negotiating ability do you guys have right now with your management? You don't even really have a union. How do you get on that union MEC anyway? Are you appointed by management? Are you? I am not saying our poop don't stink over here, but you can't overlook your problems and then cheer when you here a rumor about getting CR9s to cover mainline flying. That will set back this industry again.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jetflier]

I have nothing agianst you as well as nothing mean to say but...

Why would a 75/76 guy at Delta browse the "regionals" forum? I always see your posts that sometimes border on the "rude" side geared to small jet pilots and I am just currious what your motivation and reasoning is to be involved in the "regionals" forum much less argue with those that frequent it.

Thank's for your response.

...;Why is it such a big deal to you?

Don't you browse the Major forums, or others?

Many pilot types on here came from regionals/civillian areas, and still keep a pulse on whats going on, knowlege is good,...for all of us!

So, lighten up and enjoy....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

And the idiot spoke.....

"SkyWest at the time was full of people at the bottom that wanted to upgrade, and junior captains that wanted better QOL. That was a recipe for disaster"

Fools!!! They should have desired to remain FO's forever and to have crappy QOL.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

And the idiot, uhhh Private Lee spoke.....

"SkyWest at the time was full of people at the bottom that wanted to upgrade, and junior captains that wanted better QOL. That was a recipe for disaster"

Fools!!! They should have desired to remain FO's forever and to have crappy QOL.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Fools!!! They should have desired to remain FO's forever and to have crappy QOL.

You're describing QX reserve FO's, aren't you? 10.4 days off/mo. (75 hrs./mo. guarantee); 6 year upgrade.

Hey, but at least we're coming into happy, happy, joy, joy contract talk season! And all the free turkey wedges and tuna packs you can eat.

 

[General Lee]

And the idiot, uhhh Private Lee spoke.....

"SkyWest at the time was full of people at the bottom that wanted to upgrade, and junior captains that wanted better QOL. That was a recipe for disaster"

Fools!!! They should have desired to remain FO's forever and to have crappy QOL.

Dave,

I thought you had me on IGNORE? Keep it there. And, your reasoning for bringing the rest of the regional industry down doesn't help your cause. Maybe we at Delta could fly for Brasilia wages and maybe we will get some used Concordes? You still set a precident---flying any jet under 99 seats for the same wage---and you weren't facing bankruptcy. And, to top it off, you really have no union (except the one that has leaders appointed by management) to put up a fight. And, you lost your 1.2% raise, and the next one is nowhere to be seen. Ron and Jerry are leaping up for joy, high fiving each other right now. But, atleast you got a bunch of upgrades out of it. How many reserve lines are there now in SLC on the jet? You can try to compare it to Comair or Delta and our problems, but you can't prove it, since you were not facing a bankruptcy judge, and even the senior pilots at SkyWest saw it wasn't a good deal. It still passed. Goodnight Dave.

Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[jaymacker]

Hey General Lee...


What was with the cowboy in Wyoming comment???




---Bye Bye

 

[General Lee]

Hey General Lee...


What was with the cowboy in Wyoming comment???




---Bye Bye

Are you one? The weather must make it a rough life up there. Have fun.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[inthewind]

General, I for one appreciate your point of view. I also believe that the RJ is the downfall of this industry. On Thursday when I made my weekly run to CID the shuttle van driver was excited to tell me that his son was finally flying a CRJ for a whopping 20 bucks an hour. He couldn't understand why I wasn't happy for him. I didn't have the heart to tell him that his son and every other sucker that takes a job flying sophisticated jets for that amount of dough is the very reason that the entire industry is such a mess.

Keep up the good work General

 

[79%N1]

General, I for one appreciate your point of view. I also believe that the RJ is the downfall of this industry. On Thursday when I made my weekly run to CID the shuttle van driver was excited to tell me that his son was finally flying a CRJ for a whopping 20 bucks an hour. He couldn't understand why I wasn't happy for him. I didn't have the heart to tell him that his son and every other sucker that takes a job flying sophisticated jets for that amount of dough is the very reason that the entire industry is such a mess.

Keep up the good work General

How did you get your start in the industry????? I'm sure your first job was a cushy, $100,000/year flying heavy job ---- A$$WAD!

Sorry, but $20/hr is how you must start if you aspire to make more money later in life. Its a tradeoff one must make, except for you, I'm sure!

 

[kmox29]

I didn't have the heart to tell him that his son and every other sucker that takes a job flying sophisticated jets for that amount of dough is the very reason that the entire industry is such a mess.

I disagree. I blame the pilots/union at the carrier he got hired at. When I was hired at Mesaba, starting pay was $17.50 for a 69 seat jet. Comair and Express I (now Pinnacle) were pay-for-training.

Aspiring airline pilots need jobs. It's our job as airline pilots to set the pay and work rules for our profession. For the most part, we haven't done a very good job of it at the regional level. And now, we're starting to fail again.

 

[inthewind]

How did you get your start in the industry????? I'm sure your first job was a cushy, $100,000/year flying heavy job ---- A$$WAD!

Sorry, but $20/hr is how you must start if you aspire to make more money later in life. Its a tradeoff one must make, except for you, I'm sure!

A$$wad? Really cool dumba$$. I got my start hazegrey and underway on an amphib. Flying 300' and below on the darkest nights your ever saw and getting shot at over downtown Mogadishu. So take your high and mighty BS and shove it loser

 

[General Lee]

A$$wad? Really cool dumba$$. I got my start hazegrey and underway on an amphib. Flying 300' and below on the darkest nights your ever saw and getting shot at over downtown Mogadishu. So take your high and mighty BS and shove it loser

Inthewind,

Don't mind 79%N1, he is a very confused person who is upset with his own situation. You have every right to express your opinion here, and we should welcome good debate. Some people try to debate calling people names, and that just shows they are unhappy.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Inthewind,

Don't mind 79%N1, he is a very confused person who is upset with his own situation. You have every right to express your opinion here, and we should welcome good debate. Some people try to debate calling people names, and that just shows they are unhappy.



Bye Bye--General Lee

General, once again you are pointing the finger right back at yourself. You are a very unhappy guy always in a panic.

FUNNY

 

[General Lee]

General, once again you are pointing the finger right back at yourself. You are a very unhappy guy always in a panic.

FUNNY

I am? I love my job. And, I try not to panic too much---unless Wendy's late night window is closed!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Well, if what you say is true about people say mean things and call names when they get into a panic, then yes that statement rings true; You are always in a panic.

 

[General Lee]

Well, if what you say is true about people say mean things and call names when they get into a panic, then yes that statement rings true; You are always in a panic.

Riiiiight. Well, some people do say mean things when they panic. Some people hate their lives. Some people dislike everything when they have a small pay check. Some people only get into flying for the money. That is why they are unhappy. I have watched this industry (the lagacy side) tank since 9-11, and it has made me uneasy. But, I still enjoy the job, and I try to avoid calling people names unless they start it. I don't think that is panic.
But, you may think otherwise. That is fine.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

General, I think its great you still love your job considering what the industry and Delta is going through right now...

Same goes for others though, if they throw out names and what not does not mean they dont know what they are talking about like you stated. And you cannot tell me you havent "started" issues with other people on this board first...

When you have your 6000+ posts you boast about, you have to be realllly careful about things you post, because its obvious you can contradict yourself very very easily when jumping from topic to topic...

Thats all I am simply pointing out....

 

[General Lee]

General, I think its great you still love your job considering what the industry and Delta is going through right now...

Same goes for others though, if they throw out names and what not does not mean they dont know what they are talking about like you stated. And you cannot tell me you havent "started" issues with other people on this board first...

When you have your 6000+ posts you boast about, you have to be realllly careful about things you post, because its obvious you can contradict yourself very very easily when jumping from topic to topic...

Thats all I am simply pointing out....

Hey, I am not trying to contradict anything. This industry is a fluid thing, which changes daily. I comment on what I see, and it is strictly my opinion. I have been on this board for maybe 5 years now, and I do have the most posts. Most of them come from responding to comments I made and good debate over industry topics. I am not ashamed of my post total, and I am not posting just for the high number. I enjoy this board, and that is good enough for me. If others do not like my posts, then they can put me on ignore.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[COOPERVANE]

There are some regional pilots out there that would giggle with joy if mainline fired ALL their pilots and assigned all routes to Regional pilots. They would do it for the same pay and crappy work rules they currently have, while taking jobs from other pilots.

Hey!! Look at that upgrade time!! lots of opportunity here!! I'll just get my 1000 hours of PIC and I'm outta here !!........

Wait......Where am I gonna go now????

I think THAT is the attitude GL is attacking. And I think he is right!!




When regionals/feeders comprised only 10% of the flying, they presented an opportunity to gain experience and someday move on to the other 90% known as "majors"

As the regionals take an increasingly larger share of the flying in this country, the regional pilot's dream is to get a job with 300 hours, fly a jet, upgrade in less than a year, and hopefully be at a major at the ripe old age of 23.

But for what? If the trend continues, there will be no place to go with your vast experience. If we fly 90% of the routes, and majors only fly transcon and overseas, there will be NO place to go. So why is this concept SO hard for some regional pilots to understand?

I'll tell you why. Because as pilots, we are confident and sometimes cocky. We think we are the cream of the crop and that "I" will be one of the 100 pilots hired by major airlines 5 years from now.

Growth is great, new routes/aircraft are great. But be careful what you wish for. You may not have a job to go to.

Yes, I'm sure I'll get flamed for some of these comments, but only by the ones who think THEY are IMMUNE to this phenomenon, they think that THEY will be the special one selected for that "dream" job at a major.

General Lee, you are correct.

 

[79%N1]

A$$wad? Really cool dumba$$. I got my start hazegrey and underway on an amphib. Flying 300' and below on the darkest nights your ever saw and getting shot at over downtown Mogadishu. So take your high and mighty BS and shove it loser

Yea, and I'm sure that job paid $50,000/year! Your so high and mighty knocking a young guy who is happy to get started in aviation, even if it is for $19/hr. So what. Thats what the going rate is at the good regionals. Guys I fly with started at $12-15/hr years ago, and are making $100+ now. Big deal. I know others that start in a King Air or Cheyenne, etc for $20,000/year, without the upside of being at a regional. So who are you to knock someone for being happy about getting that job?

Loser signing off

 

[inthewind]

79%n1
I wasn't knocking the kid, I just can't be all happy and excited for him. That's all

 

[79%N1]

Well, OK, lets be nice. I'm just saying I was excited to make $50/day to fly a Ce340, etc. This is what it takes to break into aviation, to chase the dream of $200/hr at the majors one day, which we all know most likely wont happen for most anymore. I just dont take anything away from someone happy to 'make it to a regional', no matter the pay.