General Lee

[ERJFO]

I have nothing agianst you as well as nothing mean to say but...

Why would a 75/76 guy at Delta browse the "regionals" forum? I always see your posts that sometimes border on the "rude" side geared to small jet pilots and I am just currious what your motivation and reasoning is to be involved in the "regionals" forum much less argue with those that frequent it.

Thank's for your response.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Because he loves getting the regional guys all fired up.... and they fall for it every time.

 

[Phony Marconi]

Notice he's ALWAYS on, and posting...

I bet he's a put-on...prolly a furloughed Delta pilot whose bitterness prevents him from getting hired even at Home Depot.

Or maybe he is a real-live 75/76 pilot-god, who happens to be a total loser...

 

[Heavy Set]

I have nothing agianst you as well as nothing mean to say but...

Why would a 75/76 guy at Delta browse the "regionals" forum? I always see your posts that sometimes border on the "rude" side geared to small jet pilots and I am just currious what your motivation and reasoning is to be involved in the "regionals" forum much less argue with those that frequent it.

Thank's for your response.

Looks like he might have flown for the regionals at one time by looking at his profile...

Given that the regionals interact with the majors and have increasingly gained flying "share" and are trying to gain more flying at the expense of mainline flying, it doesn't surprise me that he and other mainline pilots have their opinions. Wouldn't you be concerned if you were an ASA/Skywest/Comair pilot and other carriers like Mesa, TSA and even Jetstream 31 (Corpex?)operators were taking your traditional routes and ultimately threatened your livelihood? How would you react?

Although GL is a bit outspoken and crass at times, I appreciate his perspective. I would think that regional pilots would want to understand the opposite point of view (not implying that GL speaks for or represents mainliners at all). At the end of the day, this is a forum for opinions and facts (news related, etc.) and people's differing viewpoints should be valued. If you don't like his opinions, then skip over his posts. If everyone had the same opinion this would be a very boring forum...

Personally, I find his opinions well thought-out and a bit entertaining at times... I think some people are afraid to acknowledge some of the logic of what he says (not everything, but he does make some good points). That's my $0.02.

 

[hotwing]

agree!

Looks like he might have flown for the regionals at one time by looking at his profile...

Given that the regionals interact with the majors and have increasingly gained flying "share" and are trying to gain more flying at the expense of mainline flying, it doesn't surprise me that he and other mainline pilots have their opinions. Wouldn't you be concerned if you were an ASA/Skywest/Comair pilot and other carriers like Mesa, TSA and even Jetstream 31 (Corpex?)operators were taking your traditional routes and ultimately threatened your livelihood? How would you react?

Although GL is a bit outspoken and crass at times, I appreciate his perspective. I would think that regional pilots would want to understand the opposite point of view (not implying that GL speaks for or represents mainliners at all). At the end of the day, this is a forum for opinions and facts (news related, etc.) and people's differing viewpoints should be valued. If you don't like his opinions, then skip over his posts. If everyone had the same opinion this would be a very boring forum...

Personally, I find his opinions well thought-out and a bit entertaining at times... I think some people are afraid to acknowledge some of the logic of what he says (not everything, but he does make some good points). That's my $0.02.

Great post -- I agree! here, here, General Lee -- :beer:

 

[79%N1]

No, GL gives you his opinion - which he acts like is fact, or he somehow speaks for ALL Delta or mainline pilots, and trys to belittle us lowly Regional pilots at every turn. I ask again, would any of you troll the Major board and give thousands of posts of constant drivel on your opinion of what a Delta pilot should do. It's overkill, the same message over and over, and what do any of you care what he thinks?

 

[General Lee]

I have nothing agianst you as well as nothing mean to say but...

Why would a 75/76 guy at Delta browse the "regionals" forum? I always see your posts that sometimes border on the "rude" side geared to small jet pilots and I am just currious what your motivation and reasoning is to be involved in the "regionals" forum much less argue with those that frequent it.

Thank's for your response.

Well, first let me say again that I enjoy all aspects of Aviation and this industry. I don't really like getting a pay cut or going through bankruptcy, but overall I enjoy the job. I flew for a "commuter" (what it was known back then)--Midway Connection--out of Chicago Midway airport, so I have that backround. I know what it is like to have squat left after you pay the bills, and I also know the feeling of having a big paycheck and then watch it get cut by 47%. I have seen a lot happen, just like you have in the past few years.

I like to respond in all of the forums. I have posted questions many times in the cargo section, and a few times in the fractional area. But, I am more familiar with the Majors and Regional sections, and I have participated in both of them too.

Regardless of the section, I really respond to issues I am interested in. Most of the Major's threads as of late deal with the Southwest selection board, or Jetblue interview dates. I have fought it out before with Ty Webb at Airtran, but as of late we agree on a lot of things. I used to fight a lot with the Jetblue guys, and I still get on their case about transcon turns, but other than that I have noticed that their management runs the show over there. I don't seem to argue with many legacy pilots, since most are in the same boat as I am. I will respond to certain issues over on that side, like changing the retirement age to 65, which I think is ridiculous. Where does that leave me? I seem to wander over to the regionals board often (after looking at the Major board), and I am always amused at the sheer joy regional pilots get when talking about possible larger planes that would stunt their "normal" progression in this airline industry. I know not everyone wants to go to a legacy or even move away from a regional, but I always seem to want to say something. I have been there---flying props in krap weather at 5am. I did it. I know the difference between then and now. I like what I do now and I have an opinion. No, I am not a furloughed pilot on the sidelines. I fly the 757/767 for Delta, and I enjoy it. I want others to have the abiltiy some day to do the same if they want. IF they don't, that's fine. But, I have an opinion and when I see something I think needs a response, I give it. It is an open forum and everyone is welcome, and if you want to be like Dave Benjamin and ignore me, then go ahead. What I write is not dogma, it is an opinion. I enjoy all parts of this industry. I really do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

No, GL gives you his opinion - which he acts like is fact, or he somehow speaks for ALL Delta or mainline pilots, and trys to belittle us lowly Regional pilots at every turn. I ask again, would any of you troll the Major board and give thousands of posts of constant drivel on your opinion of what a Delta pilot should do. It's overkill, the same message over and over, and what do any of you care what he thinks?

Guys like you and Dave Benjamin can't debate me because you know I am right most of the time. Support what you say if you can. You usually can't, and resort to name calling or put downs. That is what people do when they panic. You aren't supposed to sweat when you type. I do not try to belittle any regional pilots, because I was there too. My thousands of posts have been fun for me (maybe me alone), and that is good. You seem to hate your job, and that suks. Let go of your hate, 79%N1. Breathe in, breathe out.


Bye Bye--General Lee

PS--I also have thousands of posts because I actually try to respond to all of the replies I get from my posts. Guys like Dave and yourself can't respond half of the time because of your lack of substance in your posts. That's too bad.

 

[General Lee]

Notice he's ALWAYS on, and posting...

I bet he's a put-on...prolly a furloughed Delta pilot whose bitterness prevents him from getting hired even at Home Depot.

Or maybe he is a real-live 75/76 pilot-god, who happens to be a total loser...

Ok Phony Ministroni, am I really ALWAYS on? I never stop posting for a few days or maybe 4 straight days? I am glad you are monitoring everything I do. Are you a stalker? Are you a cowboy in Wyoming? Do you want to be? I knew it.

Yeah, I am a real LIVE (?) 757/767 pilot. I really enjoy it too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Looks like he might have flown for the regionals at one time by looking at his profile...

Given that the regionals interact with the majors and have increasingly gained flying "share" and are trying to gain more flying at the expense of mainline flying, it doesn't surprise me that he and other mainline pilots have their opinions. Wouldn't you be concerned if you were an ASA/Skywest/Comair pilot and other carriers like Mesa, TSA and even Jetstream 31 (Corpex?)operators were taking your traditional routes and ultimately threatened your livelihood? How would you react?

Although GL is a bit outspoken and crass at times, I appreciate his perspective. I would think that regional pilots would want to understand the opposite point of view (not implying that GL speaks for or represents mainliners at all). At the end of the day, this is a forum for opinions and facts (news related, etc.) and people's differing viewpoints should be valued. If you don't like his opinions, then skip over his posts. If everyone had the same opinion this would be a very boring forum...

Personally, I find his opinions well thought-out and a bit entertaining at times... I think some people are afraid to acknowledge some of the logic of what he says (not everything, but he does make some good points). That's my $0.02.

Thank you. I don't claim to know everything, but I do like to comment on everything. I enjoy debate, and some people don't like that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

I flew for a "commuter" (what it was known back then)--Midway Connection--out of Chicago Midway airport, so I have that backround.

I've been wondering forever and a day how you got so "confused" about "commuters" and at last I know. You must have been touched by God Mugger who actually believed that Midway was a "major" airline.

Seriously, while I seldom agree with you and think you have little understanding of the real relationship between large and small airlines, I still enjoy you posts. They're often quite entertaining. Keep voicing your opinions General, they're good for everyone in a variety of ways and are often funny.

All the best and sorry about your massive pay cuts. I'm sure you noticed we've just joined you by eating our on s_it sandwich.

 

[General Lee]

I've been wondering forever and a day how you got so "confused" about "commuters" and at last I know. You must have been touched by God Mugger who actually believed that Midway was a "major" airline.

Seriously, while I seldom agree with you and think you have little understanding of the real relationship between large and small airlines, I still enjoy you posts. They're often quite entertaining. Keep voicing your opinions General, they're good for everyone in a variety of ways and are often funny.

All the best and sorry about your massive pay cuts. I'm sure you noticed we've just joined you by eating our on s_it sandwich.

Yeah, I noticed. I kept saying that EVERYONE (including Delta and Comair) would feel the hand of bankruptcy. It suks no doubt. I have also had some great debates with you and Fins. I have been hoping we would get you guys stapled to our list so you could be my FO on the MD88 when I get that left seat. That would be fun. I would pay for your third and fifth beers, ok?

And, I now have over 6000 posts! Ah yeah! Take care.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

It suks no doubt. I have also had some great debates with you and Fins. I have been hoping we would get you guys stapled to our list so you could be my FO on the MD88 when I get that left seat. That would be fun. I would pay for your third and fifth beers, ok?

Come to think of it that I would get a kick out of watching you deal with your new command. I've never flown and 88 but awhile back I put many years in the left seat of a 9-51 and it would be a blast to help a new commander-in-chief learn to dry behind his ears. Besides that I like Douglas airplanes.

Point of order however: Generals have to buy ALL the beers for leftenants. None of this 3rd and 5th stuff. A proper commander must know his place and ante up for the peasantry.

PS. Would you let me wear a leather jacket and scarf or do they always keep you guys in sailor suits? I think they should issue you white hats in memory of PAA. The "naval aviators" would also feel more at home, ridht?

 

[acaTerry]

And, I now have over 6000 posts! Ah yeah! Take care.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Better settle down there old man, you posts may exceed your TT before long

 

[General Lee]

Come to think of it that I would get a kick out of watching you deal with your new command. I've never flown and 88 but awhile back I put many years in the left seat of a 9-51 and it would be a blast to help a new commander-in-chief learn to dry behind his ears. Besides that I like Douglas airplanes.

Point of order however: Generals have to buy ALL the beers for leftenants. None of this 3rd and 5th stuff. A proper commander must know his place and ante up for the peasantry.

PS. Would you let me wear a leather jacket and scarf or do they always keep you guys in sailor suits? I think they should issue you white hats in memory of PAA. The "naval aviators" would also feel more at home, ridht?

Alright, second through fifth beers, and the shrimp bucket.... And, you can wear a leather jacket.(I won't say anything, but the chief pilot might) I do look DAM good in that sailor suit, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Longhorn]

Well, first let me say again that I enjoy all aspects of Aviation and this industry. I don't really like getting a pay cut or going through bankruptcy, but overall I enjoy the job. I flew for a "commuter" (what it was known back then)--Midway Connection--out of Chicago Midway airport, so I have that backround. I know what it is like to have squat left after you pay the bills, and I also know the feeling of having a big paycheck and then watch it get cut by 47%. I have seen a lot happen, just like you have in the past few years.

I like to respond in all of the forums. I have posted questions many times in the cargo section, and a few times in the fractional area. But, I am more familiar with the Majors and Regional sections, and I have participated in both of them too.

Regardless of the section, I really respond to issues I am interested in. Most of the Major's threads as of late deal with the Southwest selection board, or Jetblue interview dates. I have fought it out before with Ty Webb at Airtran, but as of late we agree on a lot of things. I used to fight a lot with the Jetblue guys, and I still get on their case about transcon turns, but other than that I have noticed that their management runs the show over there. I don't seem to argue with many legacy pilots, since most are in the same boat as I am. I will respond to certain issues over on that side, like changing the retirement age to 65, which I think is ridiculous. Where does that leave me? I seem to wander over to the regionals board often (after looking at the Major board), and I am always amused at the sheer joy regional pilots get when talking about possible larger planes that would stunt their "normal" progression in this airline industry. I know not everyone wants to go to a legacy or even move away from a regional, but I always seem to want to say something. I have been there---flying props in krap weather at 5am. I did it. I know the difference between then and now. I like what I do now and I have an opinion. No, I am not a furloughed pilot on the sidelines. I fly the 757/767 for Delta, and I enjoy it. I want others to have the abiltiy some day to do the same if they want. IF they don't, that's fine. But, I have an opinion and when I see something I think needs a response, I give it. It is an open forum and everyone is welcome, and if you want to be like Dave Benjamin and ignore me, then go ahead. What I write is not dogma, it is an opinion. I enjoy all parts of this industry. I really do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well Written...and Classy. Nice Job Mr. Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Guys like you and Dave Benjamin can't debate me because you know I am right most of the time. Support what you say if you can. You usually can't, and resort to name calling or put downs. That is what people do when they panic. You aren't supposed to sweat when you type. I do not try to belittle any regional pilots, because I was there too. My thousands of posts have been fun for me (maybe me alone), and that is good. You seem to hate your job, and that suks. Let go of your hate, 79%N1. Breathe in, breathe out.


Bye Bye--General Lee

PS--I also have thousands of posts because I actually try to respond to all of the replies I get from my posts. Guys like Dave and yourself can't respond half of the time because of your lack of substance in your posts. That's too bad.

People use put downs when they panic? Wow General, you must be such a panic state all the time you shake like a clepto at a garage sale...Seems to be why everyone loves you so much.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I admit it. I can't keep up with the General. He's hard to debate because he lives on his computer. 6000 posts and he's so proud of it he started a whole new thread to brag about it. He'll put up 50 posts on a single thread. I just don't have time for it. I've been busy. 14 or 15 days of flying which means 6 or 7 nights away from la casa. I've got personal and the business tax stuff to work on. Business itself is consuming a lot of time. No complaints because with the business growing I expect to make more than General Lee does this year. Plus I'll be home a lot more than GL. I guess he's probably got the pool boy servicing his wife so he can deal with being gone more. When I'm on an overnight I usually go out with the crew. To keep up with the General I'd have to be a slam-clicker and stay in my room on the keyboard.

If I ever find the time maybe I'll wander over to the freight or charter forums and find some people to belittle. Maybe that's the key to feeling better about yourself, ehhh General? Too bad I won't be able to read your whiny response. I'd rather have a life than try to formulate a response to every example of idiocy dickweed airs on this forum. If I've got a question for a DAL pilot I'll just talk to a real one. Somehow I suspect GL might be faking it. It's hard to imagine anyone being able to commit the kind of time to this Forum and hold down a job. Wonder if he's the teenage highschool dropout son of a DAL pilot. That could be it. His posts are real repetetive. How many times can you berate the SKYW pilot group for accepting that 50-99 seat TA. Of course he conveniently forgets UAL had recently declared bankruptcy and SKYW pilots were being told they could lose a bunch of flying. But when the good General defends his massive concessions by saying the company is bankrupt it's magically different.

 

[General Lee]

I admit it. I can't keep up with the General. He's hard to debate because he lives on his computer. 6000 posts and he's so proud of it he started a whole new thread to brag about it. He'll put up 50 posts on a single thread. I just don't have time for it. I've been busy. 14 or 15 days of flying which means 6 or 7 nights away from la casa. I've got personal and the business tax stuff to work on. Business itself is consuming a lot of time. No complaints because with the business growing I expect to make more than General Lee does this year. Plus I'll be home a lot more than GL. I guess he's probably got the pool boy servicing his wife so he can deal with being gone more. When I'm on an overnight I usually go out with the crew. To keep up with the General I'd have to be a slam-clicker and stay in my room on the keyboard.

If I ever find the time maybe I'll wander over to the freight or charter forums and find some people to belittle. Maybe that's the key to feeling better about yourself, ehhh General? Too bad I won't be able to read your whiny response. I'd rather have a life than try to formulate a response to every example of idiocy dickweed airs on this forum. If I've got a question for a DAL pilot I'll just talk to a real one. Somehow I suspect GL might be faking it. It's hard to imagine anyone being able to commit the kind of time to this Forum and hold down a job. Wonder if he's the teenage highschool dropout son of a DAL pilot. That could be it. His posts are real repetetive. How many times can you berate the SKYW pilot group for accepting that 50-99 seat TA. Of course he conveniently forgets UAL had recently declared bankruptcy and SKYW pilots were being told they could lose a bunch of flying. But when the good General defends his massive concessions by saying the company is bankrupt it's magically different.

Dave,

I thought you put me on IGNORE? Please ignore me then. Really, time for you to quit. I know it is like quitting heroin or crack, but just stop responding to me.

I would love to debate him again, like saying that SkyWest wasn't in bankruptcy like Comair was when they accepted their "one rate for all jets" proposal, but Dave will never see this because he is ignoring me. This is just a waste of time for me, because DAVE ISN'T GOING TO READ THIS. HE PUT ME ON IGNORE. Have a good day Dave, and enjoy all that pay and time off. That is wonderful. I am so glad he makes more than me and my wife combined. Wow, he's cool. The pool boy says hi to Dave too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Skaff]

Well Written...and Classy. Nice Job Mr. Lee

Yeah, its interesting that low lifes show class from time to time. Enjoy a$$ muffins, General.

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, its interesting that low lifes show class from time to time. Enjoy a$$ muffins, General.

You are awesome. Thanks for allowing me to add to my post total, again.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Dave,

I thought you put me on IGNORE? Please ignore me then. Really, time for you to quit. I know it is like quitting heroin or crack, but just stop responding to me.

I would love to debate him again, like saying that SkyWest wasn't in bankruptcy like Comair was when they accepted their "one rate for all jets" proposal, but Dave will never see this because he is ignoring me. This is just a waste of time for me, because DAVE ISN'T GOING TO READ THIS. HE PUT ME ON IGNORE. Have a good day Dave, and enjoy all that pay and time off. That is wonderful. I am so glad he makes more than me and my wife combined. Wow, he's cool. The pool boy says hi to Dave too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ummm, General why dont you take your own advice and put Dave on ignore then as well? If responding to Dave is such a waste of time, why are we reading this? Isnt it time to make your way to the corner for your next "hit" of black tar?

Its good not to PANIC ya know...


Who needs comedy central when we have this laughable dog and pony show...

Now hurry get to work on your next post

 

[acaTerry]

FAR 121.973 (a)ii :

No website adminstrator shall assign, nor shall any crewmember/poster accept, assignment to a duty period that exceeds 10 posts per consecutive 24 hour period.
Additionally, crewmembers who are assigned to duty periods that iclude no less than 5 posts but no more than 9 posts shall be assigned to a rest period of 3 days.

The General is in BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG violation here.

But really guys, especially you youngsters, try to learn something from him here. He has been around the block and knows this industry better than your 3000 hrs has taught you. Just because his opinions do not match your does not make him your enemy. Its like little kids covering their ears and yelling LALALALAL in here sometimes.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Actually Private Lee you are on my ignore list. But when someone quotes your drivel I still see it. The system isn't perfect. Still your bs is laughable as always.

"I would love to debate him again, like saying that SkyWest wasn't in bankruptcy like Comair was when they accepted their "one rate for all jets" proposal"

As you've pointed out soooo many times SkyWest and others are totally dependent on mainline for their revenue. Technically Comair is profitable. However their parent company is bankrupt. SkyWest is profitable but would have suffered harm if UAL had yanked the fee for departure agreement. It's all pretty much the same thing. You either work directly for a bankrupt carrier or you work indirectly for a bankrupt carrier. It doesn't matter whether you're wholly owned or independent. When the cash stops flowing you're out out of a job. I know it's pretty complicated. Maybe the pool boy can explain it to you.

 

[General Lee]

AH Ha! I knew people would quote me and Dave would still see it. Hilarious.

Dave,

We all have threats made toward us, but some of us have more leverage. Bankruptcy hinders your leverage somewhat. SkyWest at the time was full of people at the bottom that wanted to upgrade, and junior captains that wanted better QOL. That was a recipe for disaster, and only the senior Captains and management knew that. Now, everyone at SkyWest will have that agreement for a long time, and only Ron Reber and Jerry Atkin are jumping up and down for joy. Comair's pilots were put into a corner that you were not. Your company was not going to stop if you voted no. What would have happened had you voted no? United would not have just ftopped all of their West Coast feed, DEN feed, and some ORD feed immediately. What about a $5 an hour difference for the CR7? The reason I harp on this is because this agreement got the ball rolling to send this industry downhill. The Major side isn't doing much better, but we are in a corner and have to fight our way out. We actually brought the wage bar up to the highest it had ever been. That inturn helped Southwest and Fedex bring their wages up, and someday we hope to go back that way. What kind of negotiating ability do you guys have right now with your management? You don't even really have a union. How do you get on that union MEC anyway? Are you appointed by management? Are you? I am not saying our poop don't stink over here, but you can't overlook your problems and then cheer when you here a rumor about getting CR9s to cover mainline flying. That will set back this industry again.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

FAR 121.973 (a)ii :

No website adminstrator shall assign, nor shall any crewmember/poster accept, assignment to a duty period that exceeds 10 posts per consecutive 24 hour period.
Additionally, crewmembers who are assigned to duty periods that iclude no less than 5 posts but no more than 9 posts shall be assigned to a rest period of 3 days.

The General is in BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG violation here.

But really guys, especially you youngsters, try to learn something from him here. He has been around the block and knows this industry better than your 3000 hrs has taught you. Just because his opinions do not match your does not make him your enemy. Its like little kids covering their ears and yelling LALALALAL in here sometimes.

I am throwing in a N-A$$-A report as we speak...... I don't profess to know everything, but I will comment on everything.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[acaTerry]

Too late, it was willful violation!

Fly safe
Tery

 

[Prop2Jet]

General Lee,

Your post, almost all of which I read cause their are a lot, has been the MOST PROFESSIONAL I have ever read on this rumor board. I think your advice and your experiences would do many some good now, but I know we all get to where u r if we so desire. Keep up the good attitude and thanks for keeping it clean!

P2J

 

[General Lee]

General Lee,

Your post, almost all of which I read cause their are a lot, has been the MOST PROFESSIONAL I have ever read on this rumor board. I think your advice and your experiences would do many some good now, but I know we all get to where u r if we so desire. Keep up the good attitude and thanks for keeping it clean!

P2J

I try to keep it clean, but every once and awhile I slip up and say something crass. Hey, I enjoy this industry (hence the 6000 posts over 5 years), and I try to give my opinion often. I don't look down on any pilots, regional or LCC. Sometimes I disagree with their points of view, and they don't like it. I am willing to debate any issue and even I see the "light" every once and awhile. Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Heavy Set]

General Lee,

Your post, almost all of which I read cause their are a lot, has been the MOST PROFESSIONAL I have ever read on this rumor board. I think your advice and your experiences would do many some good now, but I know we all get to where u r if we so desire. Keep up the good attitude and thanks for keeping it clean!

P2J

I agree - I enjoy his posts and I find his perspective interesting. I just wish some people on these boards wouldn't take things so personally sometimes - including the General...