Gateway problems already lol......

[KingKong2]

Nice new screen name Dan. We still know it is you and more importantly everyone in the industry knows who you are. I guess king kong 2 is officially retired? Move on to the next one, Dan.

NO NO NO KingKong2 is NOT retired and far from it.

 

[theo]

Quick hiring Captians. These detials from another post:

Currently operating as United Express with 3 CRJ-700's, 6 by the end of OCT, and 10 by Jan 2006. ALPA just wants them to be ALPA to get their 2%. Currently assigned to Local 618 with the IBT:
http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airlineorganizing.htm
http://www.teamsterslocal618.org/news-and-events.html

ALPA has filed a single carrier petition, so whether it be the IBT or ALPA, they will be union. If ALPA wins single carrier, “high unlikely” in ALPA's own words, GJ would still have its own MEC, SEN LIST, and CBA.

Currently 60 pilots. 20 more in 1 week. The TSA pilot's had their 3rd opportunity to control the GJ flying, with an LOA, that they voted down 2 weeks ago. The company has said there will be no more offers and began to hire again. More TSA pilots are coming over with each class. They will hire 20 per month for till 1st quarter. They have options on 40 more CRJ 700/900's

Background of the pilots is wide, mostly high time, people that left other regionals (ASA, AE, SKYWAYS, ACA, CorpEX), furloughed Major Pilots, some freight, retired MIL, very very wide backgrounds, but mostly prior 121 background. Several in the 1st 2 classes have been hired already at other ALPA carries. (1 CAL and 2 to World Airways).

Most the bad mouth on here is from TSA guys. Other is from pissed off AirWis guys. Why the AirWI guys are angry at GJ I don't know? Most of AirWI flying has NOT been lost to GJ but to MESA and SKYWEST(Non-Union). I guess ALPA has made an easy target out of GJ, but MESA and SKYWEST have hurt AirWI MUCH MUCH MORE. GJ just started to flying into O’Hare 2 days ago. MESA and SKYWEST have been there for months.

Anyway, they will have about 100 pilots at years end, and if they take their other 40 options they will add about 400 more. More info: http://g*jetairlines.com You will have to replace the * with an o.

Thanks for the info. Have you got any Jets for Jobs pilots from UA yet?

 

[Bandit60]

WARNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE BLOCKING TRANSMISSIONS ON FREQ.

I have a friend that is a controller at ORD and I asked him if he was having any problems. He proceeded to tell me that with the NWA mechanics strike going on the FCC has placed trucks around the field to pinpoint which aircraft it is comming from.

I would not suggest doing anything other than professional radio talk.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Hey FuelFlow,

Why no response to the comment about you all doing 5 day trips for credit time? Is it true? Come on....you're always defending that wonderful airline of yours...lets hear it.

 

[say again]

WARNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE BLOCKING TRANSMISSIONS ON FREQ.

I have a friend that is a controller at ORD and I asked him if he was having any problems. He proceeded to tell me that with the NWA mechanics strike going on the FCC has placed trucks around the field to pinpoint which aircraft it is comming from.

I would not suggest doing anything other than professional radio talk.

There's the solution!!!

 

[h25b]

WOW, real mature comment there buddy!!!!!:erm: I'd hate to hear some CVR's from Corp or 135 crashes. I flew both 121 and 135/91, and can tell you that the EXACT same level of professionalism exists in both worlds!!!! You do your job, have a great time (whatever it consists of that day), and go home. Not one area of aviation is more professional than the other!!! The situations are different and people do different things to show their emotions. I remember when old, mature NJ pilots were going to "blacklist" 135 carriers that did "their" trips. What the hell was that all about??? Is that really professionalism???

No sir, the only thing immature were the "pilots" on that flight... My statement was in the context of pointing out the sandbox B.S. that vocal idiot RJ pilots like to engage in when in reality they are all guilty of similar crimes against the profession..

The pilots of the PCL flight (may God have mercy on them) were a disgrace to us all not only in their words, but in their actions. It's indeed unfortunate that they had to pay for it with their lives, yet unbelievably fortunate for the regional pilots that it didn't happen with paying pax on board. If that were the case hiring low timers would have come to a screeching halt and it's debatable as to whether PCL would still have an operating certificate..

On my airplane's CVR you'll hear lots of light hearted conversation among the two of us but with strict adherance to SOP. We won't be swapping seats enroute, mashing rudder pedals side-to-side, flying outside of the performance envelope, and there will be minimal use of the term "dude". Those guys were on a "suicide mission... " And that's a quote from some of the folks at Bombardier.

I agree that there's idiots everywhere...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> GJs....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

..but as a pilot I would much rather see some g0 jets sellout get his <edit> kicked and humilitated in front of many than two planes coliding and getting people hurt

Hey,
Its talk like this that is so disturbing, sending bags that belong to customers to wrong destinations is immature. Now sending that deadheading/commuting BlowJet crewmembers flight bag to Bangkok would be just as wrong, but alot funnier!
PBR
P.S. Just laughin' out loud

 

[smokey999]

WARNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE BLOCKING TRANSMISSIONS ON FREQ.

I have a friend that is a controller at ORD and I asked him if he was having any problems. He proceeded to tell me that with the NWA mechanics strike going on the FCC has placed trucks around the field to pinpoint which aircraft it is comming from.

I would not suggest doing anything other than professional radio talk.

Simply not true. It is impossible to "pinpoint" which aircraft a transmission is coming from, using that technique. There are ways to figure out where transmissions are coming from, but I highly doubt the FCC has the manpower and technology to do it. Nice scare tactic though.

 

[ATRCA]

This thread should be required reading for anyone considering an aviation career. It shows the kind of childish attitudes that have taken over. Attitudes that allow justification of unsafe and unprofessional operations within the aircraft because of what goes on OUTSIDE the aircraft. All the petty, infantile crap should end when the door closes folks and you should act like trained professionals, not high school kids.

This kind of behavior has been going on for 30 plus years. The same kind of behavior prevails during strikes and other work slow downs. Pilots are pilots and emotion often plays a part. I am granting permission, just implying that this stuff is not new. It has nothing to do with age. I have heard old guys in IAH doing unspeakable things over the radio, anyway, carry on.

 

[FlyHIToo]

According to the TSA VARS Msg....Sounds like the FAA and FCC are busting and blamming the TSA Pilots for the freq problems......

 

[low-key]

Allright for those of you all flamed up over this. What if I was riding the jumpseat, transmitting on COMM3 while the crew was doing whatever on their radios. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

frankly, if I found out you were doing that, you'd be in jail after you got out of the hospital.

For now, you can spend the next 3 days in the penalty box for the removed content in this post.

 

[fuelflow]

Hey FuelFlow,

Why no response to the comment about you all doing 5 day trips for credit time? Is it true? Come on....you're always defending that wonderful airline of yours...lets hear it.

Our tentative agreement does not allow for 5 day trips, although they can be approved on a month by month basis by the scheduling committe if they meet certain parameters. Some of our commuting pilots have specifically asked for them, but we will not give a blanket approval without a trip rig or some control over building pairings, which I don't see happening. You guys have 5 day trips too for your commuting pilots - It's a 2 day and a 3 day trip back-to-back.

Until the CBA is signed, realistically the company can do what they want, although right now most guys are getting 3-4 days off at a time. That includes pay, and right now CrewTrac shows our credit time equal to actual block, although I'm sure the company will pay scheduled block as long as they have to negotiate with us. That I just don't know yet.

 

[Bandit60]

Simply not true. It is impossible to "pinpoint" which aircraft a transmission is coming from, using that technique. There are ways to figure out where transmissions are coming from, but I highly doubt the FCC has the manpower and technology to do it. Nice scare tactic though.

This is not a scare tactic. Why dont you test it and tell me how it works. The tower supervisor told all the controllers to mind their language as well.

Please tell me why you think I would be using this as a scare tactic?

PS. I was just giving a friendly warning.

 

[medic&cfi]

Our tentative agreement does not allow for 5 day trips, although they can be approved on a month by month basis by the scheduling committe if they meet certain parameters. Some of our commuting pilots have specifically asked for them, but we will not give a blanket approval without a trip rig or some control over building pairings, which I don't see happening. You guys have 5 day trips too for your commuting pilots - It's a 2 day and a 3 day trip back-to-back.

Until the CBA is signed, realistically the company can do what they want, although right now most guys are getting 3-4 days off at a time. That includes pay, and right now CrewTrac shows our credit time equal to actual block, although I'm sure the company will pay scheduled block as long as they have to negotiate with us. That I just don't know yet.

CrewTrac shows your credit time equal to block time because IT'S THE SAME PROGRAM TSA USES. The lines between these companies are so blurred, they cannot even change the parameters of Sabre's CrewTrac.

You have a TA? Whatever . . .

 

[A350]

low-key:

Allright for those of you all flamed up over this. What if I was riding the jumpseat, transmitting on COMM3 while the crew was doing whatever on their radios.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





I suggest you try that.......that way the Captain of the flight you are getting a free ride on could pay the price for YOUR actions.

You all need to grow up and knock this crap off. I have no dog in the fight, but would suggest the following.

Try to be a professional.....fly the jet the way you are supposed to......keep your passengers safe and happy......wear your uniform with pride....(In other words, no more blue dockers and black tennis shoes.) and for goodness sakes.....

Stop blaming other pilots for your "problems". I wish the airline that I flew for had the problems the regional pilots have. (growing by a factor of three and flying jets they couldn't dream of flying in the past and making more money than ever before.)

And before you flame me, did you really think you were going to make $100K for flying a 50 seat jet?

A350

 

[Nindiri]

If I ever witnessed somebody doing that, I would turn them in in a heartbeat. Not because I care anything about *************************s but because these idiots screwing around on the radio are making life more difficult for the rest of us. You actually think management cares if you annoy a few of their pilots? They'll just use it to their own advantage. You think the ************************* pilots really care that much?

Who does care is the public. If you don't think the public's opinion matters then you better think again. When they read some goofy newspaper articles about unprofessional pilots putting "safety" at risk, they are going to put a stop to it, even if that means letting in foreign carriers to fly domestically.

 

[Nindiri]

And before you flame me, did you really think you were going to make $100K for flying a 50 seat jet?

A350

Actually, I'm making close to that now flying an RJ, and these idiots are trying to screw it up.

 

[smokey999]

This is not a scare tactic. Why dont you test it and tell me how it works. The tower supervisor told all the controllers to mind their language as well.

Please tell me why you think I would be using this as a scare tactic?

PS. I was just giving a friendly warning.

I'm just stating the facts. Your "buddy" at ATC is lying or misinformed. That's all.

 

[Nindiri]

It's not that hard, really, to pinpoint transmissions if they want to. Just a few years ago they caught a few idiots at ATL that thought they were anonymous.

 

[Traderd]

I recall a joke many years old in which, upon receiving a clearance that was mucked up in some manner, one pilot said to the other "that controller is a fu$king idiot" without realizing he was transmitting. ATC, having heard the profanity replied "Aircraft transmitting the obscenity, read back your ID".

To which the offending pilot replied, "I said you were the fu$king idiot, not me!".

 

[Stearmandriver]

It's not that hard, really, to pinpoint transmissions if they want to. Just a few years ago they caught a few idiots at ATL that thought they were anonymous.

Wrong. It's not that hard, really, to get close, but to actually pinpoint a moving transmission? Triangulation don't cut it. There is other technology, such as specific tx characteristics of a particular radio brand, but: 1. This isn't technology the FCC is using, and 2. How many crj's are running around in cose proximity to each other at ORD, with identical radios?

I mention that because I don't like scare tactics that rely on ignorance. HOWEVER, you guys intentionally blocking ATC calls at an airport like ORD are the real scumbags, dou*hebags, non-professionals, whatever else you've called the *************************s guys, and worse. Yes, they might have interfered with your mgmt / labor relations, but you're interfering with the safety of my family, whenever they fly out of ORD. Intentionally screwing with radio calls like that is reckless to the point of criminal endangerment.

I'm one of the most laid-back guys you'd ever fly with, but safety is never compromised in my cockpit. If I were riding your jumpseat and witnessed behavior like this, I wouldn't think twice before reporting it to the FAA. It goes far beyond "unprofessionalism". It is UNSAFE. Not just for the offenders, or the intended target, but for every crewmember and passenger at the airport that day. If you really think your silly little vendetta is worth risking someone else's life for, then frankly you're a waste of a valuable human existence.

To be honest, I care not one bit about the future of the airline business, as I've already made up my mind that it is not MY future. So I couldn't care less that actions like this erode the public's confidence in the airlines (though they do). I couldn't care less that this kind of thing further detracts from the "respect" you think you're owed because you wear that uniform (though it does). But you're going to get somebody hurt, possibly yourself. I mean, do you really have any idea at all what you do for a living???

Plus, when I'm stuck in the gridlock you've caused and all I want to do is get to the gate so I can enjoy a rare overnight at home with my family, it pisses me off.

 

[Stearmandriver]

Wow, you've censored the name of the airline on this board? American "liberty" at its finest..."freedom of speech? You bet... till you say something I don't like."

 

[dispatchguy]

Intentionally screwing with radio calls like that is reckless to the point of criminal endangerment.

I'm one of the most laid-back guys you'd ever fly with, but safety is never compromised in my cockpit. If I were riding your jumpseat and witnessed behavior like this, I wouldn't think twice before reporting it to the FAA. It goes far beyond "unprofessionalism". It is UNSAFE. Not just for the offenders, or the intended target, but for every crewmember and passenger at the airport that day. If you really think your silly little vendetta is worth risking someone else's life for, then frankly you're a waste of a valuable human existence.

Just imagine how fast the swarm of lawyers would be all over an offender if the lawyers found out that a given accident or incident, which caused injury or death, had as a contributing factor, an intentionally blocked radio call.
You, your family, your airline, and your union (if the offender is union), couldnt afford a pot to pi$$ in, and Bubba would get a new bitch in prison.

I have heard that on several of the occasions, that there have been FAA inspectors on the flight decks of their flights, that those FAA inspectors witnessed the blocked and jammed comms, and that FAA HQ in Washington is looking into the matter.

Does ALPA Loss of License insurance cover losing your certificate over something infantile and stupid? I didnt know PROFESSIONALS would stoop to be lower than whale excrement at the bottom of the sea, but I mustve been wrong.

 

[SBD-2U3]

Yawn................................................................................................

 

[KingKong2]

MEMO came out at TSA this week.... Here is the sum of it:

"ORD/STL ATC have filed formal complaints against TSA regarding alleged interference with GJet communications. The FAA, FCC, FBI, Homeland Security and other agencies have been notified. Any TSA pilot caught interfereing with radio communications will be subject to immediate and severe discipline up to and including Death. Yes, the death penalty under law is explicitly mentioned in the M.W. memo. An amazing document."

 

[millhouse21]

Wow, they've really stepped the rhetoric up a notch. They used to merely threaten us with measures "up to and including termination" in every memo. Now they are threatening us with death. I guess somebody struck a nerve. You know, every now and then you have to step back and shake your head. Did my employer really just threaten me with DEATH???????

 

[MINIME]

You guys at GJs might be able to cry momy to your management and have some control over the actions of TSA pilots. You will not however, have ANY control over the rest of the industry and those that disapprove of your self-fulfilling choices and tactics. I'm not condonig radio interference in no way shape or form. However, it's funny to read some of the excuses you have for your existance at such a cancer of an airline.

I can assure you with great certainty, that when the facts are layed out, most who know and understand what you stand for will in no way shape or form ever approve of you. In the future or even the not so distant future, bars will be lowered, jobs will be lost, lives will be ruined and this industry will be brought even further to its knees because of your actions. Know that and understand that if you don't already.

 

[synchoff]

As I recall, the Feds went after people doing this when Freedom first started flying. Something about FCC trucks set up around the airport??? I can't rememeber the details.

True stories from the Freedom days. (I'm PHX based)

One America West crew got ordered back to the gate (presumably to have their CVR pulled). Random guess? Triangulation? The unmarked van next to the runway? Who knows?

And the Freedom Jets went to the front of the line for a week after controlers got tired of all TOWER transmissions to their jets holding in position ON AN ACTIVE RUNWAYS were being blocked.

Plus, the FBI automatically steps up airline surveillance anytime labor groups get feisty.

They'll get over it. After a couple guys get their FCC licenses pulled and FAA certs suspended.

GJ's haters . . . IF BLOCKING RADIO XMISSIONS IS THE BEST YOU CAN DO, YOU'RE PATHETIC, ALPA IS PATHETIC, AN UNIONS ARE PATHETIC. And this is not an endorsement of GJ's, but a statement of how truly powerless you really are.

Why don't you try dirty looks? THAT should stop em cold! Oh, wait, how about "the finger!" Yeah, that will definitely make them all cry and quit. Or (bush pilots only) tell them you think they're hot, then give them a wrong telephone number . . . Yeah! No, no .. . I'll COMPLAIN annonomously on a chat board! Problem SOLVED.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Know that and understand that if you don't already.

Hear me now, and listen to me later...

 

[100LL... Again!]

Are you even a regional guy? If not go get a life and let us fight out battles how we like. If so then, I am so tired of hearing....oh, be professional. Don't block transmissions.....whatever. I absolutely hate everything Freedom and Blow Jets stand for. The pilots flying for them are scumbags and no one will ever change my mind. I have been in the Union/Company game too long to have anything but contempt for anybody wishing to fly for a union busting airline.

Not a regional guy any more, thank goodness. I'd hate to share the cockpit with anyone who would behave like this in an airplane. I've moved on to a better position. I'm all for fun and games on the internet, but anyone who takes this into real life needs a reality check.

You think that management doesn't find out about this stuff? And then you get mad because you 'get no respect'? You probably do not deserve any. You think that your certificates alone elevates you to some sort of nobility? Any you rationalize unsafe behavior by saying that "they started it"?

What a bunch of simpering momma's boys. Fight your fights using all legal and professional means at your disposal. But this type of action brings down the profession as well.

The union pilot position as a place of prosperity and respect is being destroyed. Perhaps it is for the best. There are too many in the field who are apparently unworthy of it.