Gateway problems already lol......

[Bandit60]

WOW, after reading this thread, I am so glad that I am a corporate pilot and not with an airline. Using the word unprofessional is an understatement. You guys want the respect from your company's management but then you behave like this. No wonder why they treat you like they do.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. (I am talking to those that commend this type of action).

 

[MJ42]

I can be one of the meanest, most vindictive, militant, left-wing anti-management types you'll ever meet.

Isn't that SOP for all liberals???

I have to agree with the rest of your post. Looking at this practically, there is a safty issue (at the very least dinging an aircraft). Also you interupt non hojet pilots that are waiting for taxi instructions further congesting a busy freq. Third, you are making ATC's job tougher. Finally, if they find out who is disrupting transmissions who knows what the FAA would do. Is your ticket worth a minor inconvenience to hojets taxi instructions?

I say if you decide to block transmitions then block them on OPS freq also make rampers aware of what they are doing to our industry, maybe we will get first priority from the rampers. Poor(er) service from rampers/como leads to further delays. There are many other ways to make their life harder, any other suggestions? Lets not stoop to their level, lets defeat them in an extremely agressive yet professional fight!

 

[labbats]

Should you tell it to the American rampers who got fired and then re-hired as Eagle for Eagle pay and benefits, or the other myriad of other rampers that were mainline and got the same treatment? Did we do anything to help them? I'd tell it to the United Express guys, but after two weeks, you'll have 100% turnover and just have to re-tell it.

 

[MJ42]

Should you tell it to the American rampers who got fired and then re-hired as Eagle for Eagle pay and benefits, or the other myriad of other rampers that were mainline and got the same treatment? Did we do anything to help them? I'd tell it to the United Express guys, but after two weeks, you'll have 100% turnover and just have to re-tell it.

Don't know what AA or Eagle has to do with United Express flights. Anyway as of a few days ago Mainline is handling all SKW flights, I'd presume they also handle Hojets. Maybe they won't give us any sympathy, but it's worth a try. Any constructive suggestions of your own?

 

[atrdriver]

Apparently you weren't paying attention. I already said that I'm not defending the actions of pilots that are blocking transmissions. I'm merely pointing out that the HoJets pilots are not innocent victims that we should feel sorry for. Of course pilots shouldn't be blocking radio transmissions. I agree with you on that.

They need to be given a blanket party. Each and every one of them.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

WOW, after reading this thread, I am so glad that I am a corporate pilot and not with an airline. Using the word unprofessional is an understatement. You guys want the respect from your company's management but then you behave like this. No wonder why they treat you like they do.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. (I am talking to those that commend this type of action).

While I have my own reasons for being glad that I am no longer a corporate pilot, I still agree with your view on this matter. As much as I resent G0Jet pilots, I hope that no one from my airline was participating in such childish behavior. It is an embarassment to all regional pilots.

 

[say again]

While I have my own reasons for being glad that I am no longer a corporate pilot, I still agree with your view on this matter. As much as I resent G0Jet pilots, I hope that no one from my airline was participating in such childish behavior. It is an embarassment to all regional pilots.

No, *************************S and other airlines alike are an embarassment to the regional industry:smash: !!!!
It's not just regional pilots acting like this, it's ALL pilots. I remember this happening to MESA, CHQ, AirTran, etc.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

No, *************************S and other airlines alike are an embarassment to the regional industry:smash: !!!!
It's not just regional pilots acting like this, it's ALL pilots. I remember this happening to MESA, CHQ, AirTran, etc.

You remember people blocking AirTran on the radio? Or do you remember AirTran blocking others on the radio? Either way, please explain...I have no idea what you're talking about. As for Mesa and CHQ, they are regionals. I don't recall any instances where major airline pilots were blocking each other on ATC frequencies because of a labor dispute. We're not in college anymore folks. Grow up. You're making all of us 20 something year old regional pilots look like idiots.

 

[say again]

Try again

 

[blackbox]

You remember people blocking AirTran on the radio? Or do you remember AirTran blocking others on the radio? Either way, please explain...I have no idea what you're talking about. As for Mesa and CHQ, they are regionals. I don't recall any instances where major airline pilots were blocking each other on ATC frequencies because of a labor dispute. We're not in college anymore folks. Grow up. You're making all of us 20 something year old regional pilots look like idiots.

I wouldnt be too sure of that. I met a Republic Airlines FO last week. I guess RP got a lot of the Mid-Atlantic flying. He says when they are in Philly they get dirty looks in the terminals, spoken to innappropriately and they get their transmissions blocked constantly. If i am correct isnt Mid-Atlantic mostly furloughed US Airways pilots?

I thought it was funny when i first read this post, though I dont condone or encourage this type of stuiff, I do find it amusing. I am fairly new to the insdustry, but like some of the others mentioned this stuff has been happening for awhile and not at just the regional level.

 

[say again]

You remember people blocking AirTran on the radio? Or do you remember AirTran blocking others on the radio? Either way, please explain...I have no idea what you're talking about. As for Mesa and CHQ, they are regionals. I don't recall any instances where major airline pilots were blocking each other on ATC frequencies because of a labor dispute. We're not in college anymore folks. Grow up. You're making all of us 20 something year old regional pilots look like idiots.

Yes I do remember instances were as AirTran pilots were getting "stepped" on, not to this extent, but it happened. I also remember America West,Southwest, amongst many others having the same doings back when Freedom was starting up!!! I think that you need to get yourself more informed and stop being so naive and ignorant to the situation. I don't understand why people think it's only the 20 regional pilots doing this. It's ALL pilots.

I do not work for the airlines anymore. If you guys want to "step" on each other, so be it, it really does not concen me. It's one of the ways pilots show their "appreciation" tko these fools. Childish, immature, unprofessional-gimme a break. You should really see what's happening behind closed doors!!!:laugh:

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Well, regardless, that doesn't make it any less childish. On the ops frequency I could understand, but not on an ATC frequency. There's no reason that the controller and everyone else on the frequency should have to suffer because of people acting like 12 year olds. Especially at the busiest airport in the world. Like I said, those of you who participate in this sort of stuff, grow up already.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Especially at the busiest airport in the world.

I fly out of ATL and I haven't heard this happen. :beer:

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I fly out of ATL and I haven't heard this happen. :beer:

Is ATL on top again? I know it fluctuates from year to year...haven't heard recently.

 

[jpeace02]

first of of all flywrite you're a moron and i feel sorry for the guys that have to fly with you. second of all it's ohare. it's real hard to hit somebody or a cross an active runway. it's two circles. *************************s is a cancer and i wish them the worst.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It all depends on how many "Fuel Cancellations" Delta has this year.

 

[say again]

It all depends on how many "random" flights Delta cancels this year.

OUCH!!! Hopefully not to many.

 

[twinbeech]

I have to say that I heard lots of hissing on ramp tower, but once on with ATC, I didn't hear much of anything. Mostly because we could only hear ATC and not Gateway. Apparently ORD has been giving them different frequencies so that they can get through. While I don't agree with blocking radios, these guys do suck. Most of us have taken to carrying cameras with us and making sure we get a good shot of those guys at the gate. They are too scared to leave the aircraft. Not that I blame them though. The last guy I flew with was in the builder's union in NYC and he just wants to break some legs like in the old days!

 

[MJ42]

first of of all flywrite you're a moron and i feel sorry for the guys that have to fly with you. second of all it's ohare. it's real hard to hit somebody or a cross an active runway. it's two circles. *************************s is a cancer and i wish them the worst.

I agree with your assessment of of hojets being a cancer. With all due respect, when you upgrade and become responsible for an aircraft at ORD you will not feel the same way about taxiing. Not too difficult but very busy as I'm sure you have seen.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Whats upgrade time at GJs?

Quick hiring Captians. These detials from another post:

Currently operating as United Express with 3 CRJ-700's, 6 by the end of OCT, and 10 by Jan 2006. ALPA just wants them to be ALPA to get their 2%. Currently assigned to Local 618 with the IBT:
http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airlineorganizing.htm
http://www.teamsterslocal618.org/news-and-events.html

ALPA has filed a single carrier petition, so whether it be the IBT or ALPA, they will be union. If ALPA wins single carrier, “high unlikely” in ALPA's own words, GJ would still have its own MEC, SEN LIST, and CBA.

Currently 60 pilots. 20 more in 1 week. The TSA pilot's had their 3rd opportunity to control the GJ flying, with an LOA, that they voted down 2 weeks ago. The company has said there will be no more offers and began to hire again. More TSA pilots are coming over with each class. They will hire 20 per month for till 1st quarter. They have options on 40 more CRJ 700/900's

Background of the pilots is wide, mostly high time, people that left other regionals (ASA, AE, SKYWAYS, ACA, CorpEX), furloughed Major Pilots, some freight, retired MIL, very very wide backgrounds, but mostly prior 121 background. Several in the 1st 2 classes have been hired already at other ALPA carries. (1 CAL and 2 to World Airways).

Most the bad mouth on here is from TSA guys. Other is from pissed off AirWis guys. Why the AirWI guys are angry at GJ I don't know? Most of AirWI flying has NOT been lost to GJ but to MESA and SKYWEST(Non-Union). I guess ALPA has made an easy target out of GJ, but MESA and SKYWEST have hurt AirWI MUCH MUCH MORE. GJ just started to flying into O’Hare 2 days ago. MESA and SKYWEST have been there for months.

Anyway, they will have about 100 pilots at years end, and if they take their other 40 options they will add about 400 more. More info: http://g*jetairlines.com You will have to replace the * with an o.

 

[temcgrew]

No, this last contract that was voted down was the FIRST attempt.

It was voted down and management has walked away. So, there has been ZERO negotiating with the pilot group.

AirWi has lost ALL of thier united flying that was up for re-negotiation, this flying was given to skywest and g-jet.

As for pilots, I hear they only get a few resume's a month.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Most of us have taken to carrying cameras with us and making sure we get a good shot of those guys at the gate.

If someone was on the ramp and taking pictures of my aircraft and activites, without a city or airport official present, I would call the TSA and Local POLICE. This is a violation of Security Directive 1544-04-15, Surveillance of aircraft and crew activity. The operator is by law required to report to LAW ENFORCEMENT

 

[SkyBoy1981]

If someone was on the ramp and taking pictures of my aircraft and activites, without a city or airport official present, I would call the TSA and Local POLICE. This is a violation of Security Directive 1544-04-15, Surveillance of aircraft and crew activity. The operator is by law required to report to LAW ENFORCEMENT

Quick, turn in all of the airliners.net and jetphotos.net guys. Good luck with that.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Quick, turn in all of the airliners.net and jetphotos.net guys. Good luck with that.

They are off airport property and not filming pilots specific duties....

 

[Brett Hull]

So is this thread the reason G200 was sent to the sin bin?

You kids make it easier and easier every day for me to justify not EVER putting myself or my family on a RJ.

What a bunch of douchebags. It's no wonder you kids make $18 grand a year.

 

[fuelflow]

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The professionalism on this board on this board never ceases to amaze me. And if working for peanuts is your litmus test, then focus on Mesa and Trans States. TSA has been flying cheap and taking flying as a result for years.

The pilots of GJ are organizing and negotiating a contract competitive with all the other contract carriers.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

So is this thread the reason G200 was sent to the sin bin?

You kids make it easier and easier every day for me to justify not EVER putting myself or my family on a RJ.

What a bunch of douchebags. It's no wonder you kids make $18 grand a year.

Please, don't flatter yourself. Although I certainly don't agree with the actions described on this thread, with some of the things I have witnessed during my time in corporate aviation I would feel much better with my family on an RJ than a corporate jet. Kids or not, at least we deice our planes. Now please, find your way back to the almighty corporate board where you belong.

 

[h25b]

So is this thread the reason G200 was sent to the sin bin?

You kids make it easier and easier every day for me to justify not EVER putting myself or my family on a RJ.

What a bunch of douchebags. It's no wonder you kids make $18 grand a year.

I'm sure whatever he said was far too much reality to be well received by the blow-hard anti-g$jets children... What a bunch of whining babies. Amusing how one pilot making 20K can accuse another pilot making 20K of "bringing down the industry.." And yes, one of the many reasons we avoid the regionals if at all possible...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I'm sure whatever he said was far too much reality to be well received by the blow-hard anti-g$jets children... What a bunch of whining babies. Amusing how one pilot making 20K can accuse another pilot making 20K of "bringing down the industry.." And yes, one of the many reasons we avoid the regionals if at all possible...

You still didn't answer my question from a previous thread...how much did you make as an FO on that SF34?

 

[h25b]

some of the things I have witnessed during my time in corporate aviation I would feel much better with my family on an RJ than a corporate jet. Kids or not, at least we deice our planes.

Oh you de-ice ??? Wow, makes me feel so much better...

"DUDE, WE MADE IT TO 410 !!!"