Gateway problems already lol......

[TSA Pilot]

And if working for peanuts is your litmus test, then focus on Mesa and Trans States. TSA has been flying cheap and taking flying as a result for years.

The pilots of GJ are organizing and negotiating a contract competitive with all the other contract carriers.

Yep, were flying cheap!... bwahahahah...where do you g0jet guys get this from??... I make more than you! I hope you guys are enjoying your 5-Day trips at credit time!! (yep, its true, I know a few flight attendants over there already complaining about how the crews are overworked) Hulas will drag out negotiations and milk that for all its worth. We will have a new contract before you will and we havent even started negotiations yet!! Hulas has you right where he wants you. Why would he just go and offer you more money?? He's got you guys flying for less than he was going to pay us!! Your so blind.

Enjoy the bed you made.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Oh you de-ice ??? Wow, makes me feel so much better...

"DUDE, WE MADE IT TO 410 !!!"

Congratulations, you are the one millionth person to use that phrase on this board. Nice job. Now how many corporate planes crashed last winter because they didn't de-ice? Wonder how many it will take this winter before you all figure it out.

 

[h25b]

You still didn't answer my question from a previous thread...how much did you make as an FO on that SF34?

Must have missed the question... Most of the time was in the left seat of a 19 seat, corporate SF-340A, with an APU making significantly more than 20K...

What's your point ???

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Must have missed the question... Most of the time was in the left seat of a 19 seat, corporate SF-340A, with an APU making significantly more than 20K...

What's your point ???

So you never flew for a regional airline? Never flew for less than 25k? Then what the hell are you doing here then? Sorry, I don't buy it.

 

[h25b]

So you never flew for a regional airline? Never flew for less than 25k? Then what the hell are you doing here then? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Can you count flight instructing... ??? ... And yes I flew for less than 25K, but not long enough be be here whining about some other guy making 23K and crying to the world that he's bringing down the industry... Get over it.

I don't fly and never have flown at NJA... You have no clue do you??? 1 yr. instructing, 1 yr. regionals, and Corporate ever since... I've been very lucky...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

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[h25b]

Whatever, I'm done. You NetJet pilots have no room to talk about being underpaid. I may make a few grand a year less than your FO's, but at least I'm not overly abused for it. The Captains at my airline make just as much or more than yours, and have a much easier job.

Once again, I don't work at NetJets...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Once again, I don't work at NetJets...

In any case, back to the original topic... My point is simply that all pilots cannot be classified by the childish acts of a few. God knows if we classified all corporate or GA pilots by some of the things that have happened in the past you would all be idiots. I am willing to have an open mind that not all corporate pilots are cowboys that don't de-ice or calculate weight and balance, so don't come here "thumping your chest" like all regional pilots are underpaid children who don't know what they are doing. With the exception of the Pinnacle aircraft, how many fatal RJ accidents can you recall in this country in recent years? Exactly.

 

[Tyro]

Geeze Compadres –

To quote the quite thoughtful FurloughedAgain:

“The airline pilot is no longer the respected professional he once was.…….We even foster our own "dumbing down" by the way that we dress and act. We no longer command respect, so it isn't offered (see the backpack thread).

You read this thread from the start and it’s really kinda sad, where things have gone.

I go now.

 

[FlyHIToo]

You guys really need to get a life and GET LAID!!!!

 

[Doug Parker]

.


Most of you numbnuts were probably still in diapers when CAL, EAL and YoNited Scabs were flying. Blocked transmissions were pretty common back then, too. Made for a lot of go-arounds..........



.

 

[cforst513]

On ground control in ORD tuesday you hear someone with callsign "Gateway". They got out ONE transmission before everyone blocked them by hissing every time they would try to reply to ground. The controller got so pissed that he was saying " Gateway your radio is unreadble, you need to switch radios", We had to jump over to tower so I couldnt enjoy the rest. But for those of you that were involved (not me of course) thanks for providing some humor the other night and continue on it............

just a bunch of dumbasses up there at ORD, i guess....

 

[banned username 1]

You "professionals" who do that sort of stuff are going to get some innocent people killed someday. Those of you who egg them on are not much better.

Grow up.

And to the poster who said that blocking transmissions was done during the UAL strike (and others) as one of the biggest scab bashers on the property, I never heard of that tactic being used. Sounds like an urban legend.

 

[Reebo]

You "professionals" who do that sort of stuff are going to get some innocent people killed someday. Those of you who egg them on are not much better.

Grow up.

And to the poster who said that blocking transmissions was done during the UAL strike (and others) as one of the biggest scab bashers on the property, I never heard of that tactic being used. Sounds like an urban legend.

I tried to stay out of this but I guess I'll join the fray. As a captain at Trans States I really appreciate all the support from everyone, but as I was reading this thread think we all are missing the point. Even in war there are rules of engagement. For us at Trans States we now filling a petition with the courts for a "single carrier" ruling. We also have ramped up informational picketing and our MEC is willing and ready to meet with management to work out a solution to this problem. To me it seems pretty crazy to risk your certificate or people lives by "blocking" radio transmissions just because we're all pissed at a buch of low life punks. I still haven't figured out how I'm going to handle a Blow Jet pilot trying to jumpseat. We unfortunately have an agreemnet with them. I guess my point is that while I think we all agree these guys are lowlifes, how much are you willing to risk to get your point across. trust me I can't stand these a**holes anymore than you guys, but I feel we don't have to lower ourselves to their level to make them suffer.

 

[redbook]

You guys really need to get a life and GET LAID!!!!

Nice new screen name Dan. We still know it is you and more importantly everyone in the industry knows who you are. I guess king kong 2 is officially retired? Move on to the next one, Dan.

 

[rtmcfi]

I still haven't figured out how I'm going to handle a Blow Jet pilot trying to jumpseat.

pour water on the seat cushion, then let 'em ride.....

 

[Reebo]

pour water on the seat cushion, then let 'em ride.....

Nice

 

[taters]

Flamebait. .......<edit>

 

[taters]

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> go jets....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

..but as a pilot I would much rather see some g0 jets sellout get his <edit> kicked and humilitated in front of many than two planes coliding and getting people hurt

 

[PCL_128]

I still haven't figured out how I'm going to handle a Blow Jet pilot trying to jumpseat. We unfortunately have an agreemnet with them.

Just don't let them ride. Jumpseating doesn't equate at all with this radio transmission issue. The radio thing interferes with ATC, your fellow pilots, and the paying passengers. Refusing a jumpseat to a scumbag doesn't do any of that. The jumpseat is a professional courtesy. These guys aren't professionals, so they deserve no courtesy. Period.

The JS agreement that your company has with them isn't really an issue. The jumpseat is always at the Captain's discretion. You alone have the authority over who rides that jumpseat.

 

[fuelflow]

PCL -

It's interesting to hear you, of all people, refer to GJ pilots as "scumbags". There is a lot of experience at GJ. Pilots have come here from mainline and regional carriers, the military, and elsewhere. There is even a pilot in training who used to be an F-15 test pilot for McDonnell Douglas. But as far as I know, none of them handed over $20,000 to get a job at Gulfstream International flying turboprops the way you did.

Their resumes are strong, they are all organizing under the IBT and are expecting to get paid. Ultimately, they will be paid much like everyone else flying similar equipment. The company's initial offer for negotiations that they are paying us now is already higher than Mesa and Skywest. The reason the TSA pilots got the offer they did was because our negotiations slowed determining compensation.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

PCL -

It's interesting to hear you, of all people, refer to GJ pilots as "scumbags". There is a lot of experience at GJ. Pilots have come here from mainline and regional carriers, the military, and elsewhere. There is even a pilot in training who used to be an F-15 test pilot for McDonnell Douglas. But as far as I know, none of them handed over $20,000 to get a job at Gulfstream International flying turboprops the way you did.

Their resumes are strong, they are all organizing under the IBT and are expecting to get paid. Ultimately, they will be paid much like everyone else flying similar equipment. The company's initial offer for negotiations that they are paying us now is already higher than Mesa and Skywest. The reason the TSA pilots got the offer they did was because our negotiations slowed determining compensation.

If there is so much experience there, one would think that you wouldn't knowingly do an end run around scope.

 

[fuelflow]

The way TSA did an end run around scope with AA and Eagle? I guess it was okay back then.

 

[fuelflow]

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> GJs....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

..but as a pilot I would much rather see some g0 jets sellout get his <edit> kicked and humilitated in front of many than two planes coliding and getting people hurt

Tough talk from a private pilot. Look folks...enough of the threats. If you want a fist fight just do it and quit blowing hot air.

"Speak loudly and carry a little stick" should be your new mantra.

 

[redbook]

Tough talk from a private pilot. Look folks...enough of the threats. If you want a fist fight just do it and quit blowing hot air.

"Speak loudly and carry a little stick" should be your new mantra.

Any time Fuelflow.

TSA profits are creating an alter ego to screw over the very people that made those profits. We will settle our accounts with each and every one of you.

 

[fuelflow]

Like the profits gained from AMR to buy those ten EMB's that TSA is flying? (Check the registration on those aircraft sometime)

Remember your use of the AX reverse codeshare agreement? Didn't you guys say back then that it was okay because it was legal?

How about the flying you guys aquired after the non-voting contract extension that let you guys underbid ACA for UA flying? Or the USAir jet flying that should have gone to a wholly-owned company?

For any TSA pilot to bash a GJ pilot for end-running scope is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[redbook]

Like the profits gained from AMR to buy those ten EMB's that TSA is flying? (Check the registration on those aircraft sometime)

Remember your use of the AX reverse codeshare agreement? Didn't you guys say back then that it was okay because it was legal?

How about the flying you guys aquired after the non-voting contract extension that let you guys underbid ACA for UA flying? Or the USAir jet flying that should have gone to a wholly-owned company?

For any TSA pilot to bash a GJ pilot for end-running scope is the pot calling the kettle black.

Fuelflow, you sound as if you are saying that "since you guys did it, well now we are really going to do it to you".

Is that the gist of your statement? TSA pilots were working on getting a new contract and raising the bar at tsa until you and your buddies provided the lever for the company to drive down tsa further. G0jet pilots are responsible for signing on with a company that from its beginning was only intended to whipsaw the larger pilot group. You know it now and you knew it back then. You took the risk and you felt like you might get away with it. Call me crazy but I wish you hadn't made that decision, for the good of everyone. YOU AND ME. We both lost.

 

[HawkI]

taters

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> GJs....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

I'm sure the ORD express rampers will do anything we want, since we were so supportive to them in their fight for job protections. The former UFS,Great Lakes, ACA, AWAC, and now United rampers don't want to see some newbies take our jobs.

 

[wahoo250]

100ll....again POSTED .G0Jets does not come in and steal their flying for $12 an hour and all the

please tell me they are not flying for that $

 

[say again]

Oh you de-ice ??? Wow, makes me feel so much better...

"DUDE, WE MADE IT TO 410 !!!"

WOW, real mature comment there buddy!!!!!:erm: I'd hate to hear some CVR's from Corp or 135 crashes. I flew both 121 and 135/91, and can tell you that the EXACT same level of professionalism exists in both worlds!!!! You do your job, have a great time (whatever it consists of that day), and go home. Not one area of aviation is more professional than the other!!! The situations are different and people do different things to show their emotions. I remember when old, mature NJ pilots were going to "blacklist" 135 carriers that did "their" trips. What the hell was that all about??? Is that really professionalism???