Gateway problems already lol......

[fuelflow]

PCL -

It's interesting to hear you, of all people, refer to GJ pilots as "scumbags". There is a lot of experience at GJ. Pilots have come here from mainline and regional carriers, the military, and elsewhere. There is even a pilot in training who used to be an F-15 test pilot for McDonnell Douglas. But as far as I know, none of them handed over $20,000 to get a job at Gulfstream International flying turboprops the way you did.

Their resumes are strong, they are all organizing under the IBT and are expecting to get paid. Ultimately, they will be paid much like everyone else flying similar equipment. The company's initial offer for negotiations that they are paying us now is already higher than Mesa and Skywest. The reason the TSA pilots got the offer they did was because our negotiations slowed determining compensation.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

PCL -

It's interesting to hear you, of all people, refer to GJ pilots as "scumbags". There is a lot of experience at GJ. Pilots have come here from mainline and regional carriers, the military, and elsewhere. There is even a pilot in training who used to be an F-15 test pilot for McDonnell Douglas. But as far as I know, none of them handed over $20,000 to get a job at Gulfstream International flying turboprops the way you did.

Their resumes are strong, they are all organizing under the IBT and are expecting to get paid. Ultimately, they will be paid much like everyone else flying similar equipment. The company's initial offer for negotiations that they are paying us now is already higher than Mesa and Skywest. The reason the TSA pilots got the offer they did was because our negotiations slowed determining compensation.

If there is so much experience there, one would think that you wouldn't knowingly do an end run around scope.

 

[fuelflow]

The way TSA did an end run around scope with AA and Eagle? I guess it was okay back then.

 

[fuelflow]

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> GJs....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

..but as a pilot I would much rather see some g0 jets sellout get his <edit> kicked and humilitated in front of many than two planes coliding and getting people hurt

Tough talk from a private pilot. Look folks...enough of the threats. If you want a fist fight just do it and quit blowing hot air.

"Speak loudly and carry a little stick" should be your new mantra.

 

[redbook]

Tough talk from a private pilot. Look folks...enough of the threats. If you want a fist fight just do it and quit blowing hot air.

"Speak loudly and carry a little stick" should be your new mantra.

Any time Fuelflow.

TSA profits are creating an alter ego to screw over the very people that made those profits. We will settle our accounts with each and every one of you.

 

[fuelflow]

Like the profits gained from AMR to buy those ten EMB's that TSA is flying? (Check the registration on those aircraft sometime)

Remember your use of the AX reverse codeshare agreement? Didn't you guys say back then that it was okay because it was legal?

How about the flying you guys aquired after the non-voting contract extension that let you guys underbid ACA for UA flying? Or the USAir jet flying that should have gone to a wholly-owned company?

For any TSA pilot to bash a GJ pilot for end-running scope is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[redbook]

Like the profits gained from AMR to buy those ten EMB's that TSA is flying? (Check the registration on those aircraft sometime)

Remember your use of the AX reverse codeshare agreement? Didn't you guys say back then that it was okay because it was legal?

How about the flying you guys aquired after the non-voting contract extension that let you guys underbid ACA for UA flying? Or the USAir jet flying that should have gone to a wholly-owned company?

For any TSA pilot to bash a GJ pilot for end-running scope is the pot calling the kettle black.

Fuelflow, you sound as if you are saying that "since you guys did it, well now we are really going to do it to you".

Is that the gist of your statement? TSA pilots were working on getting a new contract and raising the bar at tsa until you and your buddies provided the lever for the company to drive down tsa further. G0jet pilots are responsible for signing on with a company that from its beginning was only intended to whipsaw the larger pilot group. You know it now and you knew it back then. You took the risk and you felt like you might get away with it. Call me crazy but I wish you hadn't made that decision, for the good of everyone. YOU AND ME. We both lost.

 

[HawkI]

taters

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> GJs....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

I'm sure the ORD express rampers will do anything we want, since we were so supportive to them in their fight for job protections. The former UFS,Great Lakes, ACA, AWAC, and now United rampers don't want to see some newbies take our jobs.

 

[wahoo250]

100ll....again POSTED .G0Jets does not come in and steal their flying for $12 an hour and all the

please tell me they are not flying for that $

 

[say again]

Oh you de-ice ??? Wow, makes me feel so much better...

"DUDE, WE MADE IT TO 410 !!!"

WOW, real mature comment there buddy!!!!!:erm: I'd hate to hear some CVR's from Corp or 135 crashes. I flew both 121 and 135/91, and can tell you that the EXACT same level of professionalism exists in both worlds!!!! You do your job, have a great time (whatever it consists of that day), and go home. Not one area of aviation is more professional than the other!!! The situations are different and people do different things to show their emotions. I remember when old, mature NJ pilots were going to "blacklist" 135 carriers that did "their" trips. What the hell was that all about??? Is that really professionalism???

 

[KingKong2]

Nice new screen name Dan. We still know it is you and more importantly everyone in the industry knows who you are. I guess king kong 2 is officially retired? Move on to the next one, Dan.

NO NO NO KingKong2 is NOT retired and far from it.

 

[theo]

Quick hiring Captians. These detials from another post:

Currently operating as United Express with 3 CRJ-700's, 6 by the end of OCT, and 10 by Jan 2006. ALPA just wants them to be ALPA to get their 2%. Currently assigned to Local 618 with the IBT:
http://www.teamster.org/divisions/airline/airlineorganizing.htm
http://www.teamsterslocal618.org/news-and-events.html

ALPA has filed a single carrier petition, so whether it be the IBT or ALPA, they will be union. If ALPA wins single carrier, “high unlikely” in ALPA's own words, GJ would still have its own MEC, SEN LIST, and CBA.

Currently 60 pilots. 20 more in 1 week. The TSA pilot's had their 3rd opportunity to control the GJ flying, with an LOA, that they voted down 2 weeks ago. The company has said there will be no more offers and began to hire again. More TSA pilots are coming over with each class. They will hire 20 per month for till 1st quarter. They have options on 40 more CRJ 700/900's

Background of the pilots is wide, mostly high time, people that left other regionals (ASA, AE, SKYWAYS, ACA, CorpEX), furloughed Major Pilots, some freight, retired MIL, very very wide backgrounds, but mostly prior 121 background. Several in the 1st 2 classes have been hired already at other ALPA carries. (1 CAL and 2 to World Airways).

Most the bad mouth on here is from TSA guys. Other is from pissed off AirWis guys. Why the AirWI guys are angry at GJ I don't know? Most of AirWI flying has NOT been lost to GJ but to MESA and SKYWEST(Non-Union). I guess ALPA has made an easy target out of GJ, but MESA and SKYWEST have hurt AirWI MUCH MUCH MORE. GJ just started to flying into O’Hare 2 days ago. MESA and SKYWEST have been there for months.

Anyway, they will have about 100 pilots at years end, and if they take their other 40 options they will add about 400 more. More info: http://g*jetairlines.com You will have to replace the * with an o.

Thanks for the info. Have you got any Jets for Jobs pilots from UA yet?

 

[Bandit60]

WARNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE BLOCKING TRANSMISSIONS ON FREQ.

I have a friend that is a controller at ORD and I asked him if he was having any problems. He proceeded to tell me that with the NWA mechanics strike going on the FCC has placed trucks around the field to pinpoint which aircraft it is comming from.

I would not suggest doing anything other than professional radio talk.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Hey FuelFlow,

Why no response to the comment about you all doing 5 day trips for credit time? Is it true? Come on....you're always defending that wonderful airline of yours...lets hear it.

 

[say again]

WARNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE BLOCKING TRANSMISSIONS ON FREQ.

I have a friend that is a controller at ORD and I asked him if he was having any problems. He proceeded to tell me that with the NWA mechanics strike going on the FCC has placed trucks around the field to pinpoint which aircraft it is comming from.

I would not suggest doing anything other than professional radio talk.

There's the solution!!!

 

[h25b]

WOW, real mature comment there buddy!!!!!:erm: I'd hate to hear some CVR's from Corp or 135 crashes. I flew both 121 and 135/91, and can tell you that the EXACT same level of professionalism exists in both worlds!!!! You do your job, have a great time (whatever it consists of that day), and go home. Not one area of aviation is more professional than the other!!! The situations are different and people do different things to show their emotions. I remember when old, mature NJ pilots were going to "blacklist" 135 carriers that did "their" trips. What the hell was that all about??? Is that really professionalism???

No sir, the only thing immature were the "pilots" on that flight... My statement was in the context of pointing out the sandbox B.S. that vocal idiot RJ pilots like to engage in when in reality they are all guilty of similar crimes against the profession..

The pilots of the PCL flight (may God have mercy on them) were a disgrace to us all not only in their words, but in their actions. It's indeed unfortunate that they had to pay for it with their lives, yet unbelievably fortunate for the regional pilots that it didn't happen with paying pax on board. If that were the case hiring low timers would have come to a screeching halt and it's debatable as to whether PCL would still have an operating certificate..

On my airplane's CVR you'll hear lots of light hearted conversation among the two of us but with strict adherance to SOP. We won't be swapping seats enroute, mashing rudder pedals side-to-side, flying outside of the performance envelope, and there will be minimal use of the term "dude". Those guys were on a "suicide mission... " And that's a quote from some of the folks at Bombardier.

I agree that there's idiots everywhere...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

furthermore, tell the rampers to make sure none of the bags that go on GJ flights make it to thier destination, ,let the lack of customer service <edit> GJs....as a veteran ramper it is easy to make this happen with no "paper trail"

..but as a pilot I would much rather see some g0 jets sellout get his <edit> kicked and humilitated in front of many than two planes coliding and getting people hurt

Hey,
Its talk like this that is so disturbing, sending bags that belong to customers to wrong destinations is immature. Now sending that deadheading/commuting BlowJet crewmembers flight bag to Bangkok would be just as wrong, but alot funnier!
PBR
P.S. Just laughin' out loud

 

[smokey999]

WARNING FOR THOSE WHO ARE BLOCKING TRANSMISSIONS ON FREQ.

I have a friend that is a controller at ORD and I asked him if he was having any problems. He proceeded to tell me that with the NWA mechanics strike going on the FCC has placed trucks around the field to pinpoint which aircraft it is comming from.

I would not suggest doing anything other than professional radio talk.

Simply not true. It is impossible to "pinpoint" which aircraft a transmission is coming from, using that technique. There are ways to figure out where transmissions are coming from, but I highly doubt the FCC has the manpower and technology to do it. Nice scare tactic though.

 

[ATRCA]

This thread should be required reading for anyone considering an aviation career. It shows the kind of childish attitudes that have taken over. Attitudes that allow justification of unsafe and unprofessional operations within the aircraft because of what goes on OUTSIDE the aircraft. All the petty, infantile crap should end when the door closes folks and you should act like trained professionals, not high school kids.

This kind of behavior has been going on for 30 plus years. The same kind of behavior prevails during strikes and other work slow downs. Pilots are pilots and emotion often plays a part. I am granting permission, just implying that this stuff is not new. It has nothing to do with age. I have heard old guys in IAH doing unspeakable things over the radio, anyway, carry on.

 

[FlyHIToo]

According to the TSA VARS Msg....Sounds like the FAA and FCC are busting and blamming the TSA Pilots for the freq problems......