Gary Kelly's ATN Comments at Message To The Field

[Bill Nelson]

Lear,

Is that memo new?

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Yes, today

 

[Lear70]

Yep, about 11 a.m. this morning.

 

[27 driver]

By the way, if you are the type of guy that refers to it as "my cockpit", you, sir, are the Jackwagon. By the way, the ******* retired Lieutenant Colonel store called -- they're out of you.

PW

Thats funny right there!

 

[On Your Six]

I highly doubt anything said here would ever go before an arbitrator. Are you serious?!

This board is nothing more than a support group for closet Tourette's patients.

If I ever hear any of this $hit in my cockpit, someone is not finishing the trip! Me or the other dude....doesn't matter. I will not tolerate this buffoonery and nonsense while I am at the job I enjoy. Go ruin someone else's day.

Jackwagons!

You sound like the Jackwagon! Go ahead and order people off YOUR plane if they ruin YOUR fun time! Yeah, GK sure would like you dumping your FO off in Omaha if he makes you upset Captain Stoobing! Time for you and Iasic the bartender to go smoke some weed in Julie's cabin on The Love Boat! I hope Ty Webb is senior to you eventually.


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

That's the thing-you don't lose a THING, other than your pride, maybe. You'll still upgrade with your percentage. You have had years of gains while aai has had jack. Now that they get gains you had, you also want something? It doesn't work that way.

Even if you tried to make this argument it still fails. One side "not losing" anything while the other side "gains everything" is still not fair.

Gup

 

[dh82dvr]

I think there is much to be gained for everyone in the long term, if one can look ahead just a little.

 

[PRINCE AKEEM]

"Finally, the Merger Committee continues to receive reports that AirTran pilots may be discussing the SLI and related merger topics on independent pilot message boards. The matter has risen to the level that both the ATN and SWA MC's have been in contact about posts which may have been written by each other’s pilots. Upon further review, it would appear that there are in fact a number of posts on these forums which attempt to make a case for either AirTran or Southwest pilots, but which are needlessly provocative, and are doing little more than aggravating these pilots’ future coworkers. Furthermore, it would appear that some could potentially even be harmful to one or the other side in the SLI process."


Congrats Ty, you and your bloated ego got your very own paragraph from our union. Pathetic.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Congrats Ty, you and your bloated ego got your very own paragraph from our union. Pathetic.

The damage has already been done by him and a couple others and it cannot be undone. From what I'm hearing, there won't be an integration at all. Preferential interviews so that SWA can determine who really wants to be a SWA pilot is a likely solution.

 

[Kharma Police]

The damage has already been done by him and a couple others and it cannot be undone. From what I'm hearing, there won't be an integration at all. Preferential interviews so that SWA can determine who really wants to be a SWA pilot is a likely solution.

LOL!, did your Southwest Sock Puppet friend give you the details or did you get the information from your all knowing stockbroker?!?!

You are either a few chromosomes short or just another jealous provocateur. Have a nice flight tonight!

 

[Ty Webb]

Congrats Ty, you and your bloated ego got your very own paragraph from our union. Pathetic.

Not true . . . .

But what is true is that, despite four months of exchanging opinions on this forum, little, if anything, has been gained from these exchanges. If anything, the exchanges have gotten worse instead of better, and instead of finding common ground, people have only become more entrenched. In that respect, I agree with both unions- there is nothing to be gained from further posts on the subject.
:beer:

 

[General Lee]

Gen nuts don't start. I like that you come on all the SWA boards and start shiz. I would like to point out is the delta guy's love to instigate our boards. What you need to do is take what you know about your merger and keep it to your self. This is acquisition/merger is different than yours. Putting AT guy's down come on Gen nut's! That remark is a tactic on your part to put anger in the AT's guy's head.

Your post has the MOST apostrophes I have ever seen. Great job with that. Anyway............don't slam me for trying to put anger in the Airtran pilots' heads. You guys are doing a great job of that already. I just suggested that the Airtran guys should just take the SLI to arbitration, and see how it goes. I can see why you wouldn't want that. ALPA will do that and they will get better positions on the list compared to what SWAPA would offer them. That is a fact, and I have a feeling they will follow that. I would if I were them. Good luck to all of you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

General,

Your way off base on this one. With a stockpile of gains on the Airtran side and nothing gained by the Southwest pilots, you really think an arbitor is just going to sign off on realitive seniority or anything close to it?

This is more like Delta merging with the Comair seniority list than with Northwest. Tell me I'm wrong.

Would you give Comair realitive seniority at Delta and welcome them aboard for a massive payraise?

and before I get flamed...the pay differences between DL737 FO vs Comair are within a few percentage points of the SW/AAI acquisiton.

 

[Kharma Police]

General,

Your way off base on this one. With a stockpile of gains on the Airtran side and nothing gained by the Southwest pilots, you really think an arbitor is just going to sign off on realitive seniority or anything close to it?

This is more like Delta merging with the Comair seniority list than with Northwest. Tell me I'm wrong.

Would you give Comair realitive seniority at Delta and welcome them aboard for a massive payraise?

and before I get flamed...the pay differences between DL737 FO vs Comair are within a few percentage points of the SW/AAI acquisiton.

You are trying to convince a Delta pilot that happens to disagree with your point of view. My question is, WHY?

 

[Bill Nelson]

Swapa hasn't said anything about pilots posting on public forums. They asked us not to do it on the Swapa forum.

Sounds like ALPA is concerned about the Muse Air solution. The facts stand on their own.

How is a southwest pilot explaining why a staple is fair going to hurt Swapa in the SLI? It isn't.

On the other hand, AirTran pilots demanding relative seniority could effect Alpa's chance to even participate in an SLI. Muse Air is spelled "relative" in some circles.

 

[redflyer65]

Why?

Because he's completely off base with his assumptions throughout this whole thread. Makes no difference who he works for.

 

[Kharma Police]

Why?

Because he's completely off base with his assumptions throughout this whole thread. Makes no difference who he works for.

You guys can argue if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound but it won't make a difference in the arbitration.

Whatever the outcome, I have accepted the fact that I have no control over the situation, I suggest you try it too.

 

[400ADude]

Swapa hasn't said anything about pilots posting on public forums. They asked us not to do it on the Swapa forum.

Sounds like ALPA is concerned about the Muse Air solution. The facts stand on their own.

How is a southwest pilot explaining why a staple is fair going to hurt Swapa in the SLI? It isn't.

On the other hand, AirTran pilots demanding relative seniority could effect Alpa's chance to even participate in an SLI. Muse Air is spelled "relative" in some circles.

You hit a home run here Bill. The Airtran MEC is worried about this going the Muse way or at least a good portion of it.

 

[On Your Six]

Swapa hasn't said anything about pilots posting on public forums. They asked us not to do it on the Swapa forum.

Sounds like ALPA is concerned about the Muse Air solution. The facts stand on their own.

How is a southwest pilot explaining why a staple is fair going to hurt Swapa in the SLI? It isn't.

On the other hand, AirTran pilots demanding relative seniority could effect Alpa's chance to even participate in an SLI. Muse Air is spelled "relative" in some circles.

The arbitrators will probably use more recent precedent instead of your Muse Air example. More likely the Nicalau award with USAir. AWA was a lot smaller than USAir and a younger company, but relative still prevailed except for the top 500 spots going to USAir due to International Ops. Airtran actually has the international ops for SWA, so that may make it even more interesting.



OYS

 

[FlyinGuy]

Not true . . . .

But what is true is that, despite four months of exchanging opinions on this forum, little, if anything, has been gained from these exchanges. If anything, the exchanges have gotten worse instead of better, and instead of finding common ground, people have only become more entrenched. In that respect, I agree with both unions- there is nothing to be gained from further posts on the subject.
:beer:

That right there is funny!! Ty you are the king when it comes to AT/SWA SLI discussions. I guess you forgot all of your rants on how relative is how this should go down? Anyways, congrats on getting noticed by your NC. I know that is a huge accomplishment.