Gary Kelly's ATN Comments at Message To The Field

[dh82dvr]

If swa fo's get to upgrade faster than they otherwise would have on account of this merger/aquisition then does that equal a windfall for those guys. Also if the qol, great pay and so on is the then what is the rush to the left seat?

Also, Bob you can pogue mahone dude, translated .... pucker up mate and staple your lips to my ar$e

 

[dicko]

I have absolutely no ego to sit in the right seat and throw gear if I got all of the above. Are you kidding me?

Tell me then where I got it wrong.

I absolutely agree with you regarding ego.

I'm talking about the seniority required to hold the seat. The seniority that protects you in bad times and the next merger.

I understand what you're saying but I disagree. If that's what you'd do in our position that's fine. Your Union would probably try to protect you from yourself if you ever have that choice to make. Like a good lawyer would.

We're not going to work it out here.

Cheers

 

[Ty Webb]

On face value, yes. Absolutely.
But we are not comparing two 'like' companies.

How about this..

If I were Ty and hypothetically put at the very top of the SW FO list to have..

1-higher pay
2-fly any schedule I wanted
3-better QOL
4-better medical
5-better retirement

I would sign up in a heartbeat. But it sounds like they want all of the above and to keep every CA seat. Sounds like a windfall.

And the arbitor will see it that way.

If being a senior FO is so great, I'm sure you won't mind staying one.

There, we've settled that.

 

[PapaWoody]

I absolutely agree with you regarding ego.

I'm talking about the seniority required to hold the seat. The seniority that protects you in bad times and the next merger.

I understand what you're saying but I disagree. If that's what you'd do in our position that's fine. Your Union would probably try to protect you from yourself if you ever have that choice to make. Like a good lawyer would.

We're not going to work it out here.

Cheers

I think the problem is we are talking about the "seniority" sufficient to hold the Captain's seat at the acquired carrier is not accompanied by the longevity to hold that same seniority and seat at the acquiring carrier. Couple this with the objective fact that the job at the acquiring carrier has always had greater career potential, quite possibly a career potential that the pilots at the acquired carrier would have never realized sans merger, and you see why SWA guys think that any talk of "relative seniority" is as ridiculous as AAI guys think the idea of a staple is. I think SWAPA can, and will, make an excellent case that anything approaching relative seniority would be a windfall at every SWA pilots expense.

However, I also agree that we aren't going to work it out here.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

PS Arbitrators do have a tendency to make allowances for guys to retain their seats (not always, but generally); however, that doesn't mean that they necessarily award the system seniority to maintain that seat indefinitely. That's what fences are for.

 

[Ty Webb]

not necessarily. i've got a buddy who's a tranny capt and lives in dallas. i'm a mid-level swa f/o. we both know how much each other makes, me more than him. he said he would be happy with a staple:
1. no more atl commute
2. more $$$
3. more flexibility
4. eventually he will be able to drive to work, right now, will never be an option
5. better sched (although with the combo of the two companies who knows what/how lines will be written)
6. NOT airtran mgmt
7. better overall qol

if i were at a company that had such strong support to strike i don't care what seat i'm in, with the list from above, left or right i'd take it.

Great! Another senior FO that is happy to stay an FO.

It looks like this isn't going to be so tough to solve, afterall.

Anyone else?

 

[Ty Webb]

I know when you were hired.

The most junior SWA Captain was hired almost 4 YEARS before you got hired at your dream job.

Just sayin',
Gup

Apparently, you don't know when I was hired. I was hired within a few months of your most junior OAK Capt., according to your seniority list.

 

[scoreboardII]

I think you confusing "happy to be an FO" with "don't want the captain payscale". Everyone wants the captain payscale. Captain seat? Who gives a fig, you can have that, just pay me my 12yr CA protected rate.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm not confusing squat. If they want to tout the life of leisure and luxury as a senior FO, let 'em enjoy it. Who am I to stand between them and all that? :beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

Apparently, you don't know when I was hired. I was hired within a few months of your most junior OAK Capt., according to your seniority list.

Yeah I was thinking your most junior captain. You are a mid-level captain hired a couple months after 9/11.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah I was thinking your most junior captain. You are a mid-level captain hired a couple months after 9/11.

Gup

Actually, just before . . . but who's counting? :laugh:

 

[Bill Nelson]

Ty,

November is after September but whose counting. :beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

I didn't realize who you wuz . . . . Sheesh.

Quit being such a ****************************** to your former, and soon to be again, brothers . . . . I think you owe me a case of that homebrew, home boy! :beer:

 

[Bill Nelson]

How's the homebrew going?

I'll buy the first round. It is customary for the captains to buy at SWA. :beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

I'll buy the first round. It is customary for the captains to buy at SWA. :beer:

You can be the Captain when I'm in the lav. And on my days off . . . . That's a lot of days, so you'll actually be Captain more days than me.

 

[RedDogC130]

That is a bit funny

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