Game On

[netjetwife]

She is a NetJets pilot's wife. Aparently my name is "Nobody" because I know.

Meet my fischy friend. He 'as no body...at least, that is, ...no arms or legs.... but his heart is big.

 

[1po'dpilot]

B19 youre not only a SCAB but a dumba$$ too.

"The RLA requires the parties to observe the status quo during collective bargaining until and unless the parties exhaust the negotiation, mediation and arbitration mechanisms established by the RLA for the resolution of "major disputes."
Those processes have not been exhausted.

Notwithstanding its statutory duty to maintain the status quo, Defendant ALPA and its members have violated the status quo by the manner and means in which its members have written-up mechanical deficiencies."


Youre a company stooge, you of all people should know that Flight Options position is that there is NO status quo.

 

[fischman]

Meet my fischy friend. He 'as no body...at least, that is, ...no arms or legs.... but his heart is big.

That doesn't mean I'm slimy does it?

 

[netjetwife]

That doesn't mean I'm slimy does it?

No. It just makes you a flying fish...

BTW, we saw those in Egypt --very impressive.

 

[fischman]

No. It just makes you a flying fish...

BTW, we saw those in Egypt --very impressive.

Yes.


I am impressive.

Just ask my Mother. She'll tell you.

 

[skanza]

You want the TRUTH? You can't handle the TRUTH!
Lets face it..The days of good ole Uncle Ken are long gone. We all admit it that we were carrying non-safety of flight items till we hit a MX base. We even got questioned by the Feds on how the FLOPS airplanes mysteriously break in MX bases. I believe we did it to help the company out-you know save money and get the job done. I look back now and see how it did help but was it right? No- but it happens at a lot of 91 depts and many many 135 and even some smaller frax to this day. Things changed for the company when Ken who was a pilot knew who the face of the company was-The Pilots. He kept us happy by being the highest paid frax pilots-for a while....Then came the next two losers who focused on numbers instead of people.
Once the things that mattered most to me -pay and QOL changed-I changed with it. I stopped then and there carrying anything-long before the union came here. Then some loser in a glass cubicle in Cleveland came up with a tier system-instead of getting pissed off-I just got better at my job. With each jab the company gave me I just became a master at crawling around and finding every detail on the plane I fly. Then they started to give me hours on end to look for them prior to a flight. I am just doing my job-are you doing yours?
So it is not a child's tantrum as you would put it.. This has been a slow learning process for all of us. What have you learned from it? I love these lists the guys put out because it makes me proud to the level of detail I have gotton to know the planes. I check it thoroughly every day before and after flights. It breaks where it breaks-it it breaks in the Bahamas-so be it not my problem-thats what MX is for. Let them figure it out.

As for closing the doors--If MS can not run a profitable business and pay his employees fair standard wages then yea-we should close the doors. It doesn't break my heart one bit. If FLOPS really is broke and can not pay--fine-just show the Union the books to prove it. This is the same crap NJA cried until the came close to closing the doors then alakazam! they settle a contract and make record profits and never showed the books to anyone. It's all BS-MS-Pay up or Get out!

Does that answer your question?

No. Why do you focus on finding discrepancies at these stated times more than if you're flying a repo?? It seems obvious to me, but I don't expect anyone to respond or defend that point of view legitimately. No one here has the ball$ to admit that they break airplanes prior to passenger trips just to prove a point to evil managment. Anyone who says any different when referring to these "checklists" is lying to themselves and everyone around them. Come on kids, grow up!

 

[Hobbes]

No. Why do you focus on finding discrepancies at these stated times more than if you're flying a repo?? It seems obvious to me, but I don't expect anyone to respond or defend that point of view legitimately. No one here has the ball$ to admit that they break airplanes prior to passenger trips just to prove a point to evil managment. Anyone who says any different when referring to these "checklists" is lying to themselves and everyone around them. Come on kids, grow up!

Oh yeah, because mgmt stoolies like "pilot support managers" are lining up to come on here and admit to asking pilots to carry known discrepancies to places more convenient to write them up? Is that it?

The TRUTH is that for nearly a decade any sensible half wit could look over the books at Flight Options and see that a LARGE majority of writeups occur in common locations, and many happen to occur at mx base airports, although we all KNOW airplanes don't behave like that in the real world.

As much as you like to insinuate and even declare that pilots have "agendas" related to where and when the report discrepancies, you are EQUALLY silent about the other half of the equation, aren't you Skanza? You are advocating your agenda just as surely as you are decrying the other. Hypocrite idiot. (this post intentionally written in the color of choice of the village idiot!)

Bottom line: Write it up where and when you find it. In the US, out of the US, empty leg, live leg, preflight, postflight, day or night. When you find it is when you find it, and that is when you are REQUIRED to report it.

(and YES - the "checklists" can be used by pilots who are doing things by the book. If mx were being performed with integrity, there would be no need to say anything about these "checklists" - your issue with them is in itself a tacit admittance that you know the airplanes are flying around with grounding discrepancies that you wish not to be found.)

 

[Galaxy]

No. Why do you focus on finding discrepancies at these stated times more than if you're flying a repo?? It seems obvious to me, but I don't expect anyone to respond or defend that point of view legitimately. No one here has the ball$ to admit that they break airplanes prior to passenger trips just to prove a point to evil managment. Anyone who says any different when referring to these "checklists" is lying to themselves and everyone around them. Come on kids, grow up!

Man, you are slow. I guess sitting in that easy chair in the OCC is reducing your IQ by the day.

I never said we write a discrepency when a pax leg or it is an inconvienent place.. I will admit when I get off the phone with you guys and hear the frustration in your voice I do laugh my a$$ off on how you waste time on the phone by pausing and thinking--should I ask him to fly it? Or will he ASAP my name for pushing and end up in the mail room like the other stooge? Fact is mgt stooge-it breaks where it breaks.
The days of pilot favors are long gone and they will never return even if you paid me double a NJA contract. That bed was made by flops mgt a long time ago and now you get to sleep in it FOREVER! Why because thats the LEGAL and MORAL right way to do business. So it looks like you should get up from the OCC chair you are reading this in and go tell Mike to pack up his sh!t because he can't HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Mgt has created a group of pilots filled with rage against the unethical treatment of its front line employees. We are here till the bitter end-so learn to deal with it.
Now I KNOW that answered your question.

 

[netjetwife]

Hobbes and Galaxy...good posts! Those who understand the true situation the Options pilots are dealing with applaud you for the stand you're taking.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Oh yeah, because mgmt stoolies like "pilot support managers" are lining up to come on here and admit to asking pilots to carry known discrepancies to places more convenient to write them up? Is that it?

The TRUTH is that for nearly a decade any sensible half wit could look over the books at Flight Options and see that a LARGE majority of writeups occur in common locations, and many happen to occur at mx base airports, although we all KNOW airplanes don't behave like that in the real world.

As much as you like to insinuate and even declare that pilots have "agendas" related to where and when the report discrepancies, you are EQUALLY silent about the other half of the equation, aren't you Skanza? You are advocating your agenda just as surely as you are decrying the other. Hypocrite idiot. (this post intentionally written in the color of choice of the village idiot!)

Bottom line: Write it up where and when you find it. In the US, out of the US, empty leg, live leg, preflight, postflight, day or night. When you find it is when you find it, and that is when you are REQUIRED to report it.

(and YES - the "checklists" can be used by pilots who are doing things by the book. If mx were being performed with integrity, there would be no need to say anything about these "checklists" - your issue with them is in itself a tacit admittance that you know the airplanes are flying around with grounding discrepancies that you wish not to be found.)

You think that management and the NMB is blind. I encourage you to hold those write ups and break those airplanes in the most inconvenient locations possible. In the end, you are taking away negotiating tools, but I guess you are smarter than them, it's why you are flying the line and not on the negotiating committee.

Union tactics such as this have been around as long as organized labor has been involved in transportation.

You aren't blazing new territory here, all you are is playing a union game that doesn't make any difference in the final outcome of the negotations except to slow them down as it becomes a discussion point.

All you are doing is making life difficult for your co-workers, airplane owners and mechanics that you want to support you. In reality, all you are doing is driving a wedge and increasing union turmoil.

The standard and precident has been established. When the court order happens, you will have nobody to blame but yourself.

Oh, and one last thought.. the only idiot in this post is one who lives and creates union turmoil.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Hobbes and Galaxy...good posts! Those who understand the true situation the Options pilots are dealing with applaud you for the stand you're taking.

And those non-pilot employees which are the majority of employees at Flight Options despise you for it.

 

[fischman]

And those non-pilot employees which are the majority of employees at Flight Options despise you for it.

I am actually thrilled about the emotion we are pulling out of you. It says to me that you are scared.

I think it is a bit arrogant to speak for ALL the employees at FLOPS. Especially since you don't work there... :erm:

 

[fischman]

You think that management and the NMB is blind. I encourage you to hold those write ups and break those airplanes in the most inconvenient locations possible.

That would be highly illegal. The best thing to do is to "not do anything illegal for or against the company." Why would you encourage someone to do something illegal? That is immoral, and inexcusable. Shame on you! uke:

What does that mean? When it breaks, write it up.

 

[TurboHonda]

And those non-pilot employees which are the majority of employees at Flight Options despise you for it.

And, they're becoming a bigger majority everyday. Could that be part of the problem?

 

[FR8DOG777]

No, No, not the court ordered injunction

FUI$()#*&$()#* I almost snit in my nickers when threatened about a court ordered injunction telling us not to write up airplanes anymore when they break. Could your posts get any more desperate? Hey Skanz why don't you and B1.9 go work at Aloha, I hear their looking for winners just like you to run the show.


Life is more difficult when your'e SKANZA

 

[B19 Flyer]

FUI$()#*&$()#* I almost snit in my nickers when threatened about a court ordered injunction telling us not to write up airplanes anymore when they break. Could your posts get any more desperate? Hey Skanz why don't you and B1.9 go work at Aloha, I hear their looking for winners just like you to run the show.


Life is more difficult when your'e SKANZA

I'm sure that the Comair MEC snit their union nickers right up until Judge Bertelsman issued the court order.

http://www.airlinesafety.com/articles/ComairInjunction.htm

Considering that fractional clients have much more influence than the average passenger, I wonder how many times they will be inconvenienced before they file a law suit against 1108.

And what would you know about "running the show?" I've walked in those shoes and judging by your rhetoric you haven't.

 

[B19 Flyer]

And, they're becoming a bigger majority everyday. Could that be part of the problem?

Actually, it would be more like part of the solution.

 

[B19 Flyer]

That would be highly illegal. The best thing to do is to "not do anything illegal for or against the company." Why would you encourage someone to do something illegal? That is immoral, and inexcusable. Shame on you! uke:

What does that mean? When it breaks, write it up.

It doesn't become illegal until the court order is issued. Then, the evidence will be overwhelming that it was a formal slowdown. The court only needs to see public posts on how to preflight an airplane to prove it's point, that's why it's so dumb and arrogant to post them.

 

[gunfyter]

Preflighting a plane is illegal?

 

[jetwash]

I wonder how many times they will be inconvenienced before they file a law suit against 1108.]

File a lawsuit against the pilots who want to fly your family in a safe airplane?????

I am sure all the owners will get behind that...

I wonder which of our owners are going to want to put their families on aircraft with fuel leaks, oil leaks, electrical problems...

I don't think any will. They will want the company to fix the problems!!!


PS. I also know how to add color and change font size, can I work for F&H too?

 

[FR8DOG777]

Thank You I needed a good laugh!

So if the United pilots found a discrepancy on their preflights that prevented three a320's from careening off the runway that wasn't on the airbus preflight checklist I suppose every passenger could sue them. I also suppose they could be sued for an illegal work slowdown for writing up discrepancies not on an official airbus preflight checklist. We could then further condemn them for making it widespread known to other pilots for communicating this fact through company message boards. I would be more worried about the owners suing you're incompetent fud and harrisax asses and the company for forcing the pilots to fly with these known discrepancies. DESPERATION that is what I smell! Keep up the good work. I look forward to getting my ass sued for protecting the safety of my passengers from the likes of greedy incompetent asses such as yourself.

 

[B19 Flyer]

File a lawsuit against the pilots who want to fly your family in a safe airplane?????

I am sure all the owners will get behind that...

I wonder which of our owners are going to want to put their families on aircraft with fuel leaks, oil leaks, electrical problems...

I don't think any will. They will want the company to fix the problems!!!


PS. I also know how to add color and change font size, can I work for F&H too?

The unsafe airplane is the one with a distracted crew because they are busy interpreting the union method of pre-flighting airplanes with a slowdown being the priority instead of pre-flighting to known industry standards.

Union turmoil always creates a distraction, and yes, I can envision owners taking 1108 to task if it can be proven that a union action was involved in a pattern of delaying flights.

You underestimate the power of what cold hard cash as disposable income can accomplish when it interferes with a businessman’s schedule on an airplane he owns.

These people are smart and the will cut off the wart causing the problem and go directly after the union.

 

[shanes123]

I still dont understand why anyone wants to engage this Idiot? (B19) If you he called you on the phone and started his B.S. Wouldnt you just hang up? ..JUST HANG UP ON HIM ALREADY!!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

So if the United pilots found a discrepancy on their preflights that prevented three a320's from careening off the runway that wasn't on the airbus preflight checklist I suppose every passenger could sue them. I also suppose they could be sued for an illegal work slowdown for writing up discrepancies not on an official airbus preflight checklist. We could then further condemn them for making it widespread known to other pilots for communicating this fact through company message boards. I would be more worried about the owners suing you're incompetent fud and harrisax asses and the company for forcing the pilots to fly with these known discrepancies. DESPERATION that is what I smell! Keep up the good work. I look forward to getting my ass sued for protecting the safety of my passengers from the likes of greedy incompetent asses such as yourself.

Once upon a time a slowdown such as what you have been proposing was a tool used by unions. The Comair injunction however stopped ALPA in it's tracks. I'm sure ALPA laughed like you are all the way into the courtroom.

A puny union like 1108 doesn't stand a chance should Flight Options file a simular injunction. Matter of fact, there is a chance FLOPS could even get the same judge.

So, once again, I encourage you to preflight the airplanes the "union way" and not to "industry standards."

The more evidence of a slowdown, the easier it is to get the injunction and stop the union from hurting their non-pilot coworkers and aircraft owners.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I still dont understand why anyone wants to engage this Idiot? (B19) If you he called you on the phone and started his B.S. Wouldnt you just hang up? ..JUST HANG UP ON HIM ALREADY!!!

Here are the basic steps of being in a union:

• Drink union koolaide.

• Place hands over ears.

• Put head in sand.

• Make believe that there isn't another point of view.

• Call others names when they don't agree with you.

• Put on your union pin and live with the turmoil.

• Cry when you don't get what you want. :crying:

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Here are the basic steps of being in a union:

• Drink union koolaide.

• Place hands over ears.

• Put head in sand.

• Make believe that there isn't another point of view.

• Call others names when they don't agree with you.

• Put on your union pin and live with the turmoil.

• Cry when you don't get what you want. :crying:

" Oh, well, allow me to retort...."

And here is the 1108/Strong union2 method:
- Drink a beer or preferred cocktail with your friends and peers.

- Place hands over information from all points of view to acertain your future. ( or, place hands around B19 and give him a big brotherly hug... nothin' but love, man )

- Put head into books, emails, transcripts, other information dtermining the course of action to take and to prepare for the fight ahead.

- Make Believe B19 has a real legitimate point of view to play devil's advocate with your counterparts, then laugh and order another beer.

- Call B19 names to simply annoy him, laugh hysterically, place hands around B19 ( remember, bro, nothin but love) and Squeeeeze tightly.

- Put your union pin on after doing all this, knowing you made the right decision to ensure your professional success, and live life with a smile because you have chosen your own path and are confident with the decision.

- :bawling: Cry when you realize B19 isn't going to be here when the contract is signed, he'll have moved onward to greener pastures. What remains afer a time is a solid labor -management relationship that will increase the likelihood of a stronger company in the near future. I'll miss ya, buddy. I really will, all the discussions with my friends about you.... my goodness, what will we talk about?:bawling:

 

[jetwash]

pre-flighting airplanes with a slowdown being the priority instead of pre-flighting to known industry standards.

We give you more.

We go above and beyond.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

"The unsafe airplane is the one with a distracted crew because they are busy interpreting the union method of pre-flighting airplanes with a slowdown being the priority instead of pre-flighting to known industry standards. "


There it is...now you have insulted all us fine professionals doing things to the letter of the law. Really, B19, don't think for one minute these fine ladies and gentlemen would put their lives, or the lives of their passengers on the line for being obtuse or angry at others??
Once the duty starts, we are professionals, true and true. our lives depend on it, our passengers depend on it, our profession depends on it. If that bird ain't fit to fly, it aint fit to fly, PERIOD. Furthermore, it will be done on a professional pace, as to continue with safety and proper conduct. It wont be done slowly, nor rapidly. but it will get done properly.




P.S. Just as so yo dont think anyone else is writing on my screen account, my brother B19, I leave you with this....


"RRRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!"
Now git back in yer hole!!!!"

 

[netjetwife]

I wonder which of our owners are going to want to put their families on aircraft with fuel leaks, oil leaks, electrical problems...[/size]

I don't think any will. They will want the company to fix the problems!!!


PS. I also know how to add color and change font size, can I work for F&H too?

Good post, JW! Absolutely true, every owner expects a very thorough preflight before they and their family take off. It's a simple concept: you're much more likely to miss something when you get in a hurry. That's why at the #1 frac company in the industry professional pacing is stressed as the way pilots should perform. It's also widely known that low morale brings stress and stress can be distracting. For safety's sake double check things if you have a lot on your mind. Like why MS lies to reporters, why the FLOPS are running off your fellow pilots, why they expect to get the skills/experience of a professional at bargain basement wages. These are clearly stressful days for the Options pilots so take your time and remember that professional pacing is the industry standard.

Jetwash, I realize that Options pilots frequently have to get a part time job to subsidize their pathetic wages, but I must inform you that Fud and Harassment doesn't want straight-shooters. Sorry, but those dealing in reality need not apply. My advice is to hang in there for a contract guaranteeing you and your fellow pilots a professional salary in line with your responsibility for lives and huge contribution to the company's safety record. Best Wishes, NJW

 

[fischman]

It doesn't become illegal until the court order is issued. Then, the evidence will be overwhelming that it was a formal slowdown. The court only needs to see public posts on how to preflight an airplane to prove it's point, that's why it's so dumb and arrogant to post them.

Folks, it is real easy.

"Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." B19 will try to twist words, make us try to contradict ourselves, whatever. He is throwing around FUD. He is not your friend.