G4dude wants to scab thread.

[realityman]

Are we hoping we can force changes to the EMT during the contract negotiations, or is that a separate issue for another time?

It's happened at other carriers.

If THEY get to the point where they really really really want a contract (which is, in fact, the ultimate goal of our tactics) it's possible to include the caveat that we'll only sign a deal if the EMT is replaced.

I'm not sure how that will work with BH. Maybe it won't. But as I said, it's been done.

 

[Traderd]

It's happened at other carriers.

If THEY get to the point where they really really really want a contract (which is, in fact, the ultimate goal of our tactics) it's possible to include the caveat that we'll only sign a deal if the EMT is replaced.

I'm not sure how that will work with BH. Maybe it won't. But as I said, it's been done.

The situation with NJs seem peculiar to me. First, do you guys have an amendable contract or has it expired and you're working on an extension? If amendable, does it ever expire?

Second, I'm not sure how this works in terms of the owners/card holders. You guys are employees of NJ I take it, but NJ does not own or lease the aircraft you operate. They are owned on a fractional basis by individuals who pay NJ to operate and maintain the airframes. At least that's what I believe the arrangement to be. I don't believe the owners are shareholders in NJ, as that entity is wholly owned by BH with it's own population of shareholders.

So, if you strike, the owners of the aircraft are directly impacted but they do not have a contract with the union, do they? Given that you are striking NJ and not the owners (or are you actually striking both?) why would they (the individual owners - not NJ) not find other crews to fly their airplanes, without the replacement pilots being considered to have crossed your line, given that the replacements are working for the individual owners and not NJ, the entity with whom you have the contract and the entity that is being struck.

Just seems to be more confusing a situation than with an entity having a labor contract who owns/leases equipment being operated by the labor under contract. Not to equate plumbers to pilots, but if a plumbing contractor hires union plumbers to work a building and the plumbers strike the contractor for higher wages, do they picket the building owner who hired the contractor or the contractor themselves? Seems like the building owner would move on to another contractor to get the work done.

I also don't know exactly what the owner's rights might be in the deal with NJ. I don't suppose they are at all involved in contract negotiations, are they?

My experience is with coal miners striking a mine. Ball bats, brass knuckles and shotgun kinds of activity but it seemed to be more clear. The owner of the mine actually held the union contract.

Anyway, just curious.

 

[OPECJet]

Contracts don't expire under the RLA, just become amendable. Both parties must maintain the status quo while in negotiations.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Are we hoping we can force changes to the EMT during the contract negotiations, or is that a separate issue for another time?

I believe it will take the first to conclude the second. It's all part of the same issue...

 

[G4dude]

I believe it will take the first to conclude the second. It's all part of the same issue...

Let us pray.

 

[993_Pilot]

Well then, you must know something the FAA and the major airlines don't know.

http://news.erau.edu/top-news/airli...her-at-embry-riddle-to-discuss-pilot-shortage

"...Despite a national debate on both sides of the pilot supply issue, the regional airlines are already feeling the effect. The shortage of qualified pilots has already begun to impact them deeply.? Pilot Supply and Demand Summit discussions include new FAA flight training standards, manufacturing demands and forecasts, regional and legacy airline pilot attrition and hiring demands and how aviation universities like Embry-Riddle can support the industry."

Well if Embry-Riddle says there is a shortage, it must be true, because we all know they don't have anything to gain by promoting that message. Oh wait....

 

[rajflyboy]

Scabs?

I view folks with substantial outside incomes and benefits who vote for a TA for themselves instead of for the greater good of the pilot group almost as bad as a real scab

A lot of pilots throughout this industry fit this definition

 

[X-rated]

Scabs?

I view folks with substantial outside incomes and benefits who vote for a TA for themselves instead of for the greater good of the pilot group almost as bad as a real scab

A lot of pilots throughout this industry fit this definition

That's just asinine. The greater good is determined by vote not your sole perception of what the greater good should be. It's none of your business why someone votes the way they do. They certainly don't owe you their vote, and their financial position is irrelevant. Besides, who decides what constitutes "substantial outside income"? This is just more class warfare. You've got yours (or at least more than me), so give me some bullschite. There are plenty of pilots in far worse financial positions than you. You should quit to open a spot for them for the greater good. Or, does it only apply to people with more than you?

 

[rajflyboy]

You need to open your mind a bit. They will typically be willing to take pay and Benny cuts because it will not affect them.

Someone who flies for their sole income will be affected by the votes of others. Yes they will.

 

[G4dude]

You need to open your mind a bit. They will typically be willing to take pay and Benny cuts because it will not affect them.

Someone who flies for their sole income will be affected by the votes of others. Yes they will.

Class warfare is a scream. Reminds me of the House MD episode in which someone says she doesn't care about herself, only about others. House replies, "then why don't you sign an organ donor card and kill yourself?"

 

[G4dude]

Scabs?

I view folks with substantial outside incomes and benefits who vote for a TA for themselves instead of for the greater good of the pilot group almost as bad as a real scab

A lot of pilots throughout this industry fit this definition

The definition of what is right does not necessarily have to agree with your opinion, Sport.

 

[rajflyboy]

there are takers and givers in life

you are best to be somewhere in the middle and you will be a successful person

 

[ultrarunner]

...Just remember, I have not decided to cross

Well, that's good, since...uhhhh, well....there isn't a line to cross now, is there?

 

[SIG600]

Go ahead and cross. When you quit because of the way the other pilots treat you afterwards, forget about ever getting another union job, ever again.

Enjoy the Internet infamy that ensues as well.

 

[G4dude]

Go ahead and cross. When you quit because of the way the other pilots treat you afterwards, forget about ever getting another union job, ever again.

Enjoy the Internet infamy that ensues as well.

Do you agree with the way union people act in this regard?