G0Jet pilots hired after TSA furloughs = Scabs?

[Turkey Shoot]

I have met 2 GOJ captains. One was an f/o at Eagle and the other is a laid off/furloughed TWay guy. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Eagle have a scope clause that said they were the only ones who were supposed to fly for AA? So, to support that and not take someone elses flying you TSA guys all got together and refused to fly their stuff, right?:smash: Or did you jump right up and take the upgrade? I have a hard time hating that Eagle guy for taking the upgrade he would have gotten at Eagle if his flying hadn't been "stollen". And now you know what I'm about to say about the TWay guy. If ALPA hadn't been so eager to bend over for AA because they still have delusions of a glorious reunion, then that TWayer would not be out in the street walking the dog! He owes ALPA bupkiss in my opinion. Just like he was told it is every man for himself out there. He believed them, and now you want me to hate him? I ain't buying what you're selling.:uzi:

So which of these companies was created to whipsaw another pilot group? I don't see any but Freedom comes to mind just as BloJet does.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

they are worse than scabs in my book.

 

[Flyerjosh]

Hate to see it happening and I certainly feel for you furloughed guys (been there myself), but know what?

All of your ranting, and bitching, and websites and lists and whatever, won't keep them from getting their 1000hrs of PIC and MOVING ON WITH THEIR CAREER.

Nobody gives a rats ass at the next level what is going on at the regionals. Those of you that think otherwise need to look at what's going on around you. Go Jets pilots will get their time and move on to other (more reputable) companies. It's happened before, and it will happen again.

Quit wasting your energy on burning your fellow pilots and turn your anger on the management that is ultimately responsible. Anything else is just a waste of time and effort... and many of you will only realize it when your the FO for a former GJ guy.

 

[D'Angelo]

Sorry to say this but there are still tons of people who dont even know what the hell Go Jet is. Quite frankly there is enough going on at every other airline that people don't have time to worry about this stuff. To compare them the the level of scabs is retarded. No one at the majors is going to care about Go Jets if they are ever hiring again. They probably wont even know who they were or what they were about. Plus if the lists ever are merged then they can say they worked for TSA just like the freedom guys can say they worked with Mesa. No one is going to know the difference. There is too much going on here at comair to worry about TSA/************************* dramas. The only people here that even know who they are are the people that read the forums. The majority of people I have flown with have no clue who they were. Sorry but everyone needs to take care of their own airline first before they can worry about everyone elses situation. I can honestly say that unfortunately there will be none, zero consequences besides lost jumpseats for these guys. Just look at the freedom guys that got hired at JBLU or southwest or other places.

 

[joeywoofwoof]

Seems that about once a week someone tries to fire up the subject of blowjet- the arguments are the same- and it's getting pretty pointless. And i still wouldn't care if a blowjet guy tried to jumpseat on my flight. I really wouldn't care if anyone did- as long as they aren't a prick.

 

[D'Angelo]

Seems that about once a week someone tries to fire up the subject of blowjet- the arguments are the same- and it's getting pretty pointless. And i still wouldn't care if a blowjet guy tried to jumpseat on my flight. I really wouldn't care if anyone did- as long as they aren't a prick.

Exactly I wonder how many people actually carry "lists" and deny jumpseats. A lot of hot air is blown on this website. For the most part, however, its all bluff and no stuff. I have never once flown with someone that carried any type of list.

 

[Shrek]

Because of this meyopic view that most pilots have is why this industry is doomed in the end - race to the bottom if you will.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Anyone who has the pleasure of seeing my flight bag being drug around the country will see my NO************************* stickers. Keep up the good fight.

 

[aviatornick]

Seems that about once a week someone tries to fire up the subject of blowjet- the arguments are the same- and it's getting pretty pointless. And i still wouldn't care if a blowjet guy tried to jumpseat on my flight. I really wouldn't care if anyone did- as long as they aren't a prick.

then u should stop reading and posting on the blowjet stuff if it's so pointless. u probably wouldn't care about a jumpseater on your plane b/c you don't work for trans states, everyone has different opinions and it's captains final authority.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Just to put the TSA furlough in perspective:

1. Trans States Holdings furloughed 20 Trans States Airlines pilots
2. Trans States Holdings continues to hire for G0jet Airlines

In my opinion, anyone accepting a job with G0jet while TSA pilots are being furloughed is about as close to a scab as one can be by definition.
The only guys as bad or worse are those company guys who jumped ship.

Think about what you are doing before accepting a job offer.
It should be ONE list.

So what does that make the rest of us who work for airlines that grew while our codeshare pilots furloughed? Are SkyWest, Mesa, Republic, Chataqua, ASA, and Comair (just to name a few) pilots all scabs?

G0Jets may be a despicable attempt at circumventing the union and violating seniority but last I checked TSA is not on strike. Nice try though.

 

[doh]

Exactly I wonder how many people actually carry "lists" and deny jumpseats. A lot of hot air is blown on this website. For the most part, however, its all bluff and no stuff. I have never once flown with someone that carried any type of list.

Well I have ten legs left at Comedy Air, so there is still a chance you could fly with one pilot who carries his scab list. I just don't think TSA can call the kettle black with what they did to the Eagle.

 

[Smarta$$]

Sorry to say this but there are still tons of people who dont even know what the hell Go Jet is. Quite frankly there is enough going on at every other airline that people don't have time to worry about this stuff. To compare them the the level of scabs is retarded. No one at the majors is going to care about Go Jets if they are ever hiring again. They probably wont even know who they were or what they were about. Plus if the lists ever are merged then they can say they worked for TSA just like the freedom guys can say they worked with Mesa. No one is going to know the difference. There is too much going on here at comair to worry about TSA/************************* dramas. The only people here that even know who they are are the people that read the forums. The majority of people I have flown with have no clue who they were. Sorry but everyone needs to take care of their own airline first before they can worry about everyone elses situation. I can honestly say that unfortunately there will be none, zero consequences besides lost jumpseats for these guys. Just look at the freedom guys that got hired at JBLU or southwest or other places.

I would love to see your reaction if it were Comair in this position dumba$$. Oh but as long as your not getting screwed. Yet. Think of what will happen to your 700's when those scabs at Gayjet put in a bid to delta to fly them for 30% less than you. Then what do you say if that happens? "Too much going on at Comair to worry about that." Ya we'll see. Open your Eyes, This affects the whole airline industry.

Imagine trying to negotiate pilot contracts now with them doing it so cheap with no work rules. Will that put upward pressure on all new contracts or will it put downward pressure on them? You pretend to be so smart, what do you think? Up or down?

All you people that say you dont care are going to care if they get any of your flying! And there is nothing stopping them from getting flying from any Code Share. We all know that Hulas is ALWAYS bidding on new flying. You will all see if this is not solved and we will all suffer.

For the large majority of the people that do understand that this is detremental to our industry and who see those low lifes for what they are, Thank you.

 

[Smarta$$]

So what does that make the rest of us who work for airlines that grew while our codeshare pilots furloughed? Are SkyWest, Mesa, Republic, Chataqua, ASA, and Comair (just to name a few) pilots all scabs?

G0Jets may be a despicable attempt at circumventing the union and violating seniority but last I checked TSA is not on strike. Nice try though.

Stupid? All the companys you just mentioned grew within the limits of the scope of the respective mainline. All of those Rj's were voted on and approved by the mainline pilots.

You must not understand that TSA pilots never gave any sort of OK to this bull******************** company. They were specifically setup to get around Trans States pilots.

For example, Comair as you mentioned was not created to circumvent the Delta pilots contract. It Is utilized to fly within the boundries of the Delta pilots scope. The same scope that the pilots voted in and agreed upon.

This is totally and utterly against the will of all TSA pilots.

ARE YOU SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

YOU TOO F@GHITOO? CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

 

[Smarta$$]

Well I have ten legs left at Comedy Air, so there is still a chance you could fly with one pilot who carries his scab list. I just don't think TSA can call the kettle black with what they did to the Eagle.

I am not familiar with all the details of the eagle thing. But it would seem to me that this could only be similar to gayjets if Eagle had started an alterego company called Trans States to get around the eagle pilots scope.

There is a difference. The little bit that I know about those events make me not very proud to be a Trans States pilot, however it would seem to be more like a management and competition situation.

Again, If Eagle management had started an alterego company to fly those jets or even growth jets to get around the Eagle pilots scope, than I would say it was the same situtation. But we know that not to be true.

 

[redbook]

So which of these companies was created to whipsaw another pilot group? I don't see any but Freedom comes to mind just as BloJet does.

Right on Turkey. It takes some moron a long winded page of posting to confuse the issue. You cut through the bullshi! with one sentence.

To the confused who have posted on this thread:

G0jet is a whipsaw alter ego airline. If you don't care, well, Shrek already pointed out what you are saying you don't care about.

The vast majority of pilots do care; alter ego whipsaw pilots will always want to sweep their actions under the rug. "nobody cares, I will get my time" etc etc. They are not scabs but they sure sound similar.

 

[doh]

I can't see a difference between an airline formed to whipsaw and one that already exists and comes in and agrees to whipsaw. The pilots at both have a choice, and they made the same one. But now TSA is getting whisawed instead of doling out the whipsaw so you are angry. You can't have it both ways.

 

[arthompson]

TSA guys were so proud when Uncle Hulas undercut Air Wisconsin for all the UAX flying, in fact he announced that GJ was being formed for that very purpose and to get around the AA Scope, where were the complaints when Air Willy guys were trying to figure out what was going to happen to their lives?

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

Well... Has not that happened at DAL while ComAIR and ASA hired, or at CAL while CoEX hired, and at AAL while AE hired. All owned buy a parent company (currently or at one time) while one side furloughed the other side was hiring. But now that is happened to you, it is a brand new concept! WTF?!?

Hey, there's my favorite scumbag blowjet captain chiming in. Glad to see your still around, unfortunately. Funny to hear one of your worthless cronie's went and cried to management last week when a TSA pilot almost "burned his arm" in the break room with the coffee part after it came within 3 feet of his arm. Rot in Hell.

Ahhhh, I feel better now.

 

[I HATE HATS]

What is a Whipsaw, and where can I buy one?

 

[redbook]

I can't see a difference between an airline formed to whipsaw and one that already exists and comes in and agrees to whipsaw. The pilots at both have a choice, and they made the same one. But now TSA is getting whisawed instead of doling out the whipsaw so you are angry. You can't have it both ways.

dumbas!. TSA pilots stood their ground and voted 75% no.

That was our choice, you ignorant piece of crap.

 

[redbook]

TSA guys were so proud when Uncle Hulas undercut Air Wisconsin for all the UAX flying, in fact he announced that GJ was being formed for that very purpose and to get around the AA Scope, where were the complaints when Air Willy guys were trying to figure out what was going to happen to their lives?

another idiot. Air Willy and TSA stood together united against g0jet. At our rally last spring Air Willy was there in support and held a gathering at a local hotel in support of TSA pilots.

So don't bs, and learn from the examples of unity and not spewing on message boards.

 

[arthompson]

My buddies still flying at Air Willy feel you guys screwed them and took their flying, watch who you're calling an idiot. You are flying Air Wisconson routes, not just UA routes that Air Willy flew but actual honest to god, would not have air service with out Air Willy flying the city pairs routes. So are you proud to fly those routes or do you feel like you are doing someone wrong because you fly their routes? I'm not saying I support Hulas forming GJ, far from it. I'm just showing you where its not only TSA this is happening to. Wether the whipsaw is in house or a mainline operator pitting 2 regionals against each other, it's still wrong. GJ is taking flying that TSA took from someone else, it's an unfortunate, never ending and vicious cycle, it's also the post 9/11 airline world.

 

[punkpilot48]

I can't see a difference between an airline formed to whipsaw and one that already exists and comes in and agrees to whipsaw. The pilots at both have a choice, and they made the same one. But now TSA is getting whisawed instead of doling out the whipsaw so you are angry. You can't have it both ways.

Lets put it this way. Coex express jet and chitaqua would be the modern day equivalent to the American tsa and eagle.

Neither was started to outcompete the other.

G*jet was formed to keep the tsa union down.

 

[Golden Falcon]

ready to fly...never say never, while you might never work there, nothing says for sure you will never work with some of those pilots at a future employer....it's a small industry, and not good to burn a bridge...even before you cross it

 

[Shrek]

My buddies still flying at Air Willy feel you guys screwed them and took their flying, watch who you're calling an idiot. You are flying Air Wisconson routes, not just UA routes that Air Willy flew but actual honest to god, would not have air service with out Air Willy flying the city pairs routes. So are you proud to fly those routes or do you feel like you are doing someone wrong because you fly their routes? I'm not saying I support Hulas forming GJ, far from it. I'm just showing you where its not only TSA this is happening to. Wether the whipsaw is in house or a mainline operator pitting 2 regionals against each other, it's still wrong. GJ is taking flying that TSA took from someone else, it's an unfortunate, never ending and vicious cycle, it's also the post 9/11 airline world.

Why don't you do me a favor and PM me your name.......I have many friends at Air Willie and would like to see if you are really as short-sighted as you seem.

The G0jet whipsaw model is going to be reproduced again and again until we collectively say enough is enough.

 

[doh]

dumbas!. TSA pilots stood their ground and voted 75% no.

That was our choice, you ignorant piece of crap.

Voted 75% no on what? You are flying for AA, right?

 

[doh]

Why don't you do me a favor and PM me your name.......I have many friends at Air Willie and would like to see if you are really as short-sighted as you seem.

The G0jet whipsaw model is going to be reproduced again and again until we collectively say enough is enough.

My point exactly. Why didn't TSA pilots collectively say no to "working around" (violating) Eagle's scope clause. Some mor... err... individual is calling me a dumbas, but no one has explained to me why TSA pilots were willing to "work around" (violate) Eagle's scope.

 

[punkpilot48]

My point exactly. Why didn't TSA pilots collectively say no to "working around" (violating) Eagle's scope clause. Some mor... err... individual is calling me a dumbas, but no one has explained to me why TSA pilots were willing to "work around" (violate) Eagle's scope.

If managment comes down and say here we painted this plane a new color go fly it. You have to or you lose your job. You would so shut up. Thats the bussiness. Hell thats any bussiness. But this isnt just a rough deal brouht on by managment. Hulie made go jets so he can break down the tsa pilot union. Well IMO anyway. It seems he is getting what he wanted.

I doubt that over at eagle they are still pointing at TSA and saying well they are doing this we are going to need you to lower your bar to meet them.

 

[Shrek]

haha!
Your to funny man. There are plenty of jobs out there for them. Worry about yourself.

Pri*k!!

From - Dart

THIS is the calibur of a G0Jet pilot........what a guy.

 

[great cornholio]

My buddies still flying at Air Willy feel you guys screwed them and took their flying, watch who you're calling an idiot. You are flying Air Wisconson routes, not just UA routes that Air Willy flew but actual honest to god, would not have air service with out Air Willy flying the city pairs routes. So are you proud to fly those routes or do you feel like you are doing someone wrong because you fly their routes? I'm not saying I support Hulas forming GJ, far from it. I'm just showing you where its not only TSA this is happening to. Wether the whipsaw is in house or a mainline operator pitting 2 regionals against each other, it's still wrong. GJ is taking flying that TSA took from someone else, it's an unfortunate, never ending and vicious cycle, it's also the post 9/11 airline world.

Im pretty sure that Air Willy is doing some flying for US Air that was once done by TSA which is in no way even close to the TSA/GJ thing thats just how the regionals roll these days. If people are gonna get mad if flying gets moved between different regionals then well I guess we all oughta hate each other. The only way to really make the issue get any better is to try to all get together and fight management instead of ourselves. With so much energy being wasted on pilot groups fighting pilot groups there seems to be little left to fight management so management is getting exactly what they want out of us, and can continue to walk all over us. The fastest way that the TSA/GJ thing could get fixed is if both pilot groups come together and then try to fight Hulas as one. GJ is being used to whipsaw TSA and in a bit TSA WILL be used to whipsaw GJ. If both pilots groups come together as one (willingly not forced) then both sides will benifit...But if we dont come together then both sides will lose and Hulas will win. Oh and another thing since my rant switch is on...Whats up with the loads lately...they are so full that it looks like its time mainline needs to step in and start flying some more.