Future regional aircraft

[DAS at 10/250]

In 10 years there will be no "mainline" domestic flying except for long haul trans continental stuff. It will all be done by "regionals" operating everything from 0-130 seats.

I agree with this.

 

[Quimby]

And yet hundreds of them are still operating every day. Hmmm.....

Are they even making 50 seat jets anymore? Will they be in 5 years?

They'll be making turboprops. Bet on it.

 

[Jetjockey]

In 10 years there will be no "mainline" domestic flying except for long haul trans continental stuff. It will all be done by "regionals" operating everything from 0-130 seats.

Wishful thinking by someone who plans on making a career at a "regional". The tide has turned. Past performance is not an indicator to future events.

There will no doubt be new 90-130 seat jets being used. They WILL have mainline pilots flying them.

 

[the palm]

Wishful thinking by someone who plans on making a career at a "regional". The tide has turned. Past performance is not an indicator to future events.

There will no doubt be new 90-130 seat jets being used. They WILL have mainline pilots flying them.

Wishful thinking? Reality my friend. Reality. History is about to repeat itself.

 

[the palm]

Are they even making 50 seat jets anymore? Will they be in 5 years?

They'll be making turboprops. Bet on it.

They will also be making CRJ 1000's, 2000's, etc. to be flown by "regional pilots." I can't wait!

 

[IBNAV8R]

The carriers, equipment and pilots flying the domestic market in 10 years will be determined by economic factors and NOT by anyone "taking back" THEIR flying. Pay structures for international flying will also be determined by economic factors including competitors NOT be limited by the Jones Act.

20 year prediction:
UniConDelAmUS, Inc. will be a clearing house for ticket sales to domestic (by then the North American Union) codeshare partners (regionals flying whatever) and international partners (subsidized by their governments who receive ludicrous aid from the NAU)

25 year prediction:
Under pressure from UniConDelAmUS and several "industry groups", regional pilot pay is deemed too costly and the Jones act is repealed.

30 year prediction: All flying done remotely by outsourced flight stations in India, Bangladesh or one of the Baltic states.

 

[Jetjockey]

They will also be making CRJ 1000's, 2000's, etc. to be flown by "regional pilots." I can't wait!

Wishful thinking? Reality my friend. Reality. History is about to repeat itself.

Your going to have to re-apply at the new United to fly anything bigger than the 70 seater, and we may be taking those back too. Enjoy your career, or until your capacity agreement ends.

 

[the palm]

Your going to have to re-apply at the new United to fly anything bigger than the 70 seater, and we may be taking those back too. Enjoy your career, or until your capacity agreement ends.

Nah, I won't have to apply. When ASA/SKYW buys the new UniCal I'll be sitting just fine in my career.

 

[Jetjockey]

Nah, I won't have to apply. When ASA/SKYW buys the new UniCal I'll be sitting just fine in my career.

That's funny. Do the drugs cause the delusions, or is that the radon fumes from your parent's basement you live in?

United Market capitalization $8.04 Billion
Skywest market cap $932.49M

Yeah, that will happen.

 

[homerjdispatch]

There are reasons CEO's arent pilots and Pilots arent CEO's.....

 

[acpilot]

Airlines will realize that stenciling "Regional Jet" behind "Boeing 737" (or any Boeing, really) will allow them to pay their BRJ pilots $10,000/yr.

Airbus will be fielding UAVs.

 

[the palm]

That's funny. Do the drugs cause the delusions, or is that the radon fumes from your parent's basement you live in?

United Market capitalization $8.04 Billion
Skywest market cap $932.49M

Yeah, that will happen.

Well, just announced today, 4 more CR7's coming to ASA and a contract extension for UniCal flying by the XJT side. Hate to say I told ya so......

 

[Jetjockey]

Well, just announced today, 4 more CR7's coming to ASA and a contract extension for UniCal flying by the XJT side. Hate to say I told ya so......

Those birds are slated for the Delta operation.

Well, I guess the purchase of United by Skywest is imminent. Fool.

 

[the palm]

Those birds are slated for the Delta operation.

Well, I guess the purchase of United by Skywest is imminent. Fool.

All your domestic flying are belong to us. Muhuhuhahahahahaha!!!

But don't worry. I'm not one of those bitter guys that uses the jumpseat as a weapon. You will always be welcome as long as there is a middle seat available in coach.

 

[Jetjockey]

All your domestic flying are belong to us. Muhuhuhahahahahaha!!!

But don't worry. I'm not one of those bitter guys that uses the jumpseat as a weapon. You will always be welcome as long as there is a middle seat available in coach.

Ok space ranger.............whatever you say. (shh, he's retarded)

 

[johnpeace]

Wishful thinking? Reality my friend. Reality. History is about to repeat itself.

Worse (or better, depending on your perspective).

My bet is mainline carriers are going to buy a total elimination of scope from their pilot groups. All narrowbody flying will be outsourced in exchange for huge (20-30%) pay rate increases.

The alternative would be for mainline to spend those billions of dollars buying their regional partners and 'insourcing'...leaving NOTHING for the mainline pilot groups.

The mainline pilots will have the chance to get a HUGE raise and upgrade to widebody equipment and would be STUPID to vote no on that in exchange for getting nothing but the RJ flying brought in house.

I can't wait to buy the General's (hot, young) wife a drink and listen to her talk about what an imbecile he is for voting no on a fat raise and a 757 seat.

Have a GREAT day!

 

[Heavy Set]

Worse (or better, depending on your perspective).

My bet is mainline carriers are going to buy a total elimination of scope from their pilot groups. All narrowbody flying will be outsourced in exchange for huge (20-30%) pay rate increases.

The alternative would be for mainline to spend those billions of dollars buying their regional partners and 'insourcing'...leaving NOTHING for the mainline pilot groups.

The mainline pilots will have the chance to get a HUGE raise and upgrade to widebody equipment and would be STUPID to vote no on that in exchange for getting nothing but the RJ flying brought in house.

I can't wait to buy the General's (hot, young) wife a drink and listen to her talk about what an imbecile he is for voting no on a fat raise and a 757 seat.

Have a GREAT day!

I am pretty sure someone on here stated Delta offered a big pay raise to their pilots inexchange for 100 seaters, and were told NO, and then Delta sold Compass and Mesaba. If that is true, then your hypothesis is incorrect so far. Do you see the CAL and UAL guys taking that offer, after what they have fought for so far with scope? How about American? They don't seem to like the Eagle RJs too much, and there aren't too many 70 seaters at Eagle anyway. Looks like your guess isn't panning out. Can you offer any guesses as to who might take that offer?

 

[johnpeace]

Can you offer any guesses as to who might take that offer?

My guess is the DAL group will take it and then the UAL/CAL and American groups will be almost forced to in order to remain competitive.

But it's just that...guessing. If I'm wrong...so what?

We'll have to wait and see.

At present, all it is is crap you read on the internet.

 

[Heavy Set]

My guess is the DAL group will take it and then the UAL/CAL and American groups will be almost forced to in order to remain competitive.

But it's just that...guessing. If I'm wrong...so what?

We'll have to wait and see.

At present, all it is is crap you read on the internet.

Are you guessing, or hoping? Do you fly for a regional?

 

[johnpeace]

Are you guessing, or hoping? Do you fly for a regional?

Yeah, I work at ASA.

The relevant factors are:

- they can't do domestic feed as cheap as outsourced labor can.

- being able to whipsaw different airlines makes it even cheaper.

- they need bigger airplanes to take advantage of lower CASM and fuel efficiencies

They have to get the pilots to give up scope to make it work.

The way they could do it would be to offer an ultimatum:

Take a large pay increase to give up scope altogether and become widebody only pilots. The retirements and international growth would support that and leave everyone with a seat in a bigger airplane.

Or...

Get NOTHING and DAL spends the hundreds of millions to billions to fleet itself with RJs and pilots to bring it's domestic feed operation in-house.

I'm thinking that given the choice, the DAL group would vote itself a raise and a widebody seat over simply enlarging it's pilot group with newhires that are on the RJs.

Like I said, we'll see how it plays out.

If you were a DAL pilot and presented with those options, it would be completely stupid to pick option 2...it gets you NOTHING and costs an arm and a leg.