Future regional aircraft

[acpilot]

Airlines will realize that stenciling "Regional Jet" behind "Boeing 737" (or any Boeing, really) will allow them to pay their BRJ pilots $10,000/yr.

Airbus will be fielding UAVs.

 

[the palm]

That's funny. Do the drugs cause the delusions, or is that the radon fumes from your parent's basement you live in?

United Market capitalization $8.04 Billion
Skywest market cap $932.49M

Yeah, that will happen.

Well, just announced today, 4 more CR7's coming to ASA and a contract extension for UniCal flying by the XJT side. Hate to say I told ya so......

 

[Jetjockey]

Well, just announced today, 4 more CR7's coming to ASA and a contract extension for UniCal flying by the XJT side. Hate to say I told ya so......

Those birds are slated for the Delta operation.

Well, I guess the purchase of United by Skywest is imminent. Fool.

 

[the palm]

Those birds are slated for the Delta operation.

Well, I guess the purchase of United by Skywest is imminent. Fool.

All your domestic flying are belong to us. Muhuhuhahahahahaha!!!

But don't worry. I'm not one of those bitter guys that uses the jumpseat as a weapon. You will always be welcome as long as there is a middle seat available in coach.

 

[Jetjockey]

All your domestic flying are belong to us. Muhuhuhahahahahaha!!!

But don't worry. I'm not one of those bitter guys that uses the jumpseat as a weapon. You will always be welcome as long as there is a middle seat available in coach.

Ok space ranger.............whatever you say. (shh, he's retarded)

 

[johnpeace]

Wishful thinking? Reality my friend. Reality. History is about to repeat itself.

Worse (or better, depending on your perspective).

My bet is mainline carriers are going to buy a total elimination of scope from their pilot groups. All narrowbody flying will be outsourced in exchange for huge (20-30%) pay rate increases.

The alternative would be for mainline to spend those billions of dollars buying their regional partners and 'insourcing'...leaving NOTHING for the mainline pilot groups.

The mainline pilots will have the chance to get a HUGE raise and upgrade to widebody equipment and would be STUPID to vote no on that in exchange for getting nothing but the RJ flying brought in house.

I can't wait to buy the General's (hot, young) wife a drink and listen to her talk about what an imbecile he is for voting no on a fat raise and a 757 seat.

Have a GREAT day!

 

[Heavy Set]

Worse (or better, depending on your perspective).

My bet is mainline carriers are going to buy a total elimination of scope from their pilot groups. All narrowbody flying will be outsourced in exchange for huge (20-30%) pay rate increases.

The alternative would be for mainline to spend those billions of dollars buying their regional partners and 'insourcing'...leaving NOTHING for the mainline pilot groups.

The mainline pilots will have the chance to get a HUGE raise and upgrade to widebody equipment and would be STUPID to vote no on that in exchange for getting nothing but the RJ flying brought in house.

I can't wait to buy the General's (hot, young) wife a drink and listen to her talk about what an imbecile he is for voting no on a fat raise and a 757 seat.

Have a GREAT day!

I am pretty sure someone on here stated Delta offered a big pay raise to their pilots inexchange for 100 seaters, and were told NO, and then Delta sold Compass and Mesaba. If that is true, then your hypothesis is incorrect so far. Do you see the CAL and UAL guys taking that offer, after what they have fought for so far with scope? How about American? They don't seem to like the Eagle RJs too much, and there aren't too many 70 seaters at Eagle anyway. Looks like your guess isn't panning out. Can you offer any guesses as to who might take that offer?

 

[johnpeace]

Can you offer any guesses as to who might take that offer?

My guess is the DAL group will take it and then the UAL/CAL and American groups will be almost forced to in order to remain competitive.

But it's just that...guessing. If I'm wrong...so what?

We'll have to wait and see.

At present, all it is is crap you read on the internet.

 

[Heavy Set]

My guess is the DAL group will take it and then the UAL/CAL and American groups will be almost forced to in order to remain competitive.

But it's just that...guessing. If I'm wrong...so what?

We'll have to wait and see.

At present, all it is is crap you read on the internet.

Are you guessing, or hoping? Do you fly for a regional?

 

[johnpeace]

Are you guessing, or hoping? Do you fly for a regional?

Yeah, I work at ASA.

The relevant factors are:

- they can't do domestic feed as cheap as outsourced labor can.

- being able to whipsaw different airlines makes it even cheaper.

- they need bigger airplanes to take advantage of lower CASM and fuel efficiencies

They have to get the pilots to give up scope to make it work.

The way they could do it would be to offer an ultimatum:

Take a large pay increase to give up scope altogether and become widebody only pilots. The retirements and international growth would support that and leave everyone with a seat in a bigger airplane.

Or...

Get NOTHING and DAL spends the hundreds of millions to billions to fleet itself with RJs and pilots to bring it's domestic feed operation in-house.

I'm thinking that given the choice, the DAL group would vote itself a raise and a widebody seat over simply enlarging it's pilot group with newhires that are on the RJs.

Like I said, we'll see how it plays out.

If you were a DAL pilot and presented with those options, it would be completely stupid to pick option 2...it gets you NOTHING and costs an arm and a leg.

 

[Flyerdan]

Yeah, I work at ASA.

The relevant factors are:

- they can't do domestic feed as cheap as outsourced labor can.

- being able to whipsaw different airlines makes it even cheaper.

- they need bigger airplanes to take advantage of lower CASM and fuel efficiencies

They have to get the pilots to give up scope to make it work.

The way they could do it would be to offer an ultimatum:

Take a large pay increase to give up scope altogether and become widebody only pilots. The retirements and international growth would support that and leave everyone with a seat in a bigger airplane.

Or...

Get NOTHING and DAL spends the hundreds of millions to billions to fleet itself with RJs and pilots to bring it's domestic feed operation in-house.

I'm thinking that given the choice, the DAL group would vote itself a raise and a widebody seat over simply enlarging it's pilot group with newhires that are on the RJs.

Like I said, we'll see how it plays out.

If you were a DAL pilot and presented with those options, it would be completely stupid to pick option 2...it gets you NOTHING and costs an arm and a leg.

I think you are probably pretty close to stating WHAT WILL happen instead of talking about what pilots think SHOULD HAPPEN. I have seen quite a few posts about taking back scope, etc. but there is never even a hint in the discussion about what the pilots are willing to give up to achieve that goal. This leads me to believe that it is mostly empty talk and that you are closer to the reality of the industry. Nice post.

 

[time builder]

Don't forget the Jet Blue/American deal in New York. If the biggest goal is regional feed, they can do it via code sharing with discount carriers rather than scope clause limited outsourcing.

 

[Flyerdan]

Don't forget the Jet Blue/American deal in New York. If the biggest goal is regional feed, they can do it via code sharing with discount carriers rather than scope clause limited outsourcing.

BINGO!!

I think that is the other piece of the puzzle that not many people are talking about. I think regional airlines like Skywest, Republic, etc., will soon morph into super-regionals and enter into code share agreements with the mainline airlines they currently have fee-for-departure agreements with. This will pave the way for the 100 seat regional aircraft that loom on the horizon for these super regional airlines of the future.

This is pure speculation but it makes a lot of sense from a business model perspective.

 

[Hootie9750]

Most likely the same stuff that is flying today. Mainline pilots will vote for expanded scope relief, so probably the 737 and the baby bus will also become "RJ's"

 

[General Lee]

Most likely the same stuff that is flying today. Mainline pilots will vote for expanded scope relief, so probably the 737 and the baby bus will also become "RJ's"

Riiiiight. And at the same time, (in your world) Regional pilots will all vote to abandon every RJ and only fly BE1900s. Yeah, that will be FANTASTIC to see. PSSSST. I will let you in on a little secret. All you have to look at is the CAL/UAL ALPA arbitration win for the current sentiment of mainline pilots. They don't like RJs at all.


Bye Bye---General Lee