Future pilot shortage...

[Cpt Oveur]

Yes, you will see an outcry for more pilots to train and to get to the flight deck of an airliner faster than before. Congress will be pushed to act quickly, and we will see more international carriers in the US, but you're not going to see Aer Lingus flying the DC-NYC shuttle.
On the other hand, look at some of these international carriers who use. An ab initio training program, is there really enough data to say that it doesn't work. Look at Qantas, or Singapore, are they that much more unsafe than Delta or United?

 

[propilot]

I heard around 300 commercial certificates issued last year to US pilots. Foreign takes the rest of the number.

Are you interested in ocean front property in AZ? I'll give you a greatr deal! Your saying you heard only 6 US Citizens per state earned a Comm cert last year? The large aviation programs alone produce more than that in a given year.

 

[nwa747]

That number wouldn't surprise me. If you look at the large 141 programs very few, if any are Americans.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

I accepted recall because:

1) I hadn't had a flight student in 4 months

2) The corporate outfit I worked for (read: had JUST been hired to work for) had three bad accidents within 3 days that knocked out all three of their airplanes.


Obviously #1 means students are dwindling.

 

[IBNAV8R]

It's easy to say they'll just lower the standards but didn't Congress just enact legislation that requires ALL airline pilots to have an ATP?

When the airlines start screaming they can't get pilots (for what they want to pay), will there be a "provisional" ATP, MPL, cabotage, single-pilot or even pilot-less aircraft?

 

[Jetjockey]

The problem isn't a lack of pilots, it's a lack of good paying jobs. There are thousands of pilots who just walked away from the industry. Furloughed American, United, NetJets, Midway, ATA, Aloha, Midwest, Independence, etc. Sure many got jobs, but many more just walked away from this industry.

The demand will dictate the pay must come up at the regional level to attract qualified candidates. I think raising the qualifications will create a demand for QUALIFIED pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

It's easy to say they'll just lower the standards but didn't Congress just enact legislation that requires ALL airline pilots to have an ATP?

don't they already have that with the advanced training that allows a reduction from the ATP requirements?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

don't they already have that with the advanced training that allows a reduction from the ATP requirements?

Yes, the 1500hr and atp rule which doesn't even go into effect for another 2 years, is nothing more then smoke and mirrors to appease the public. There will be tons of exceptions in there, I believe 4 year colleges are exempt. If fact, the pilot factories are already setting up programs to qualify their the students for rule exemption. http://www.atpflightschool.com/aviation-college-degree/index.html

 

[wt219200]

Yes, the 1500hr and atp rule which doesn't even go into effect for another 2 years, is nothing more then smoke and mirrors to appease the public. There will be tons of exceptions in there, I believe 4 year colleges are exempt. If fact, the pilot factories are already setting up programs to qualify their the students for rule exemption. http://www.atpflightschool.com/aviation-college-degree/index.html

270 hours? This program better not qualify for the exemption. It goes against everything the families of Colgan 3407 are fighting for.

 

[cynic]

Flying an airplane is really easy and any bar tard with a credit card can go buy a license and get a job...

It wasn't always that way but with advances in technology that's just how it is. Lots of careers have gone by the way side, flying is one of them.

Live on less because you like sitting in an airplane or learn how to do something challenging!

 

[Captain Morgan]

Flying an airplane is really easy and any bar tard with a credit card can go buy a license and get a job...

It wasn't always that way but with advances in technology that's just how it is. Lots of careers have gone by the way side, flying is one of them.

Live on less because you like sitting in an airplane or learn how to do something challenging!

Sad but true!

When it was old steam gauges and you had to be careful not to nuke an engine on a regular basis while hand flying, you really had skill.

 

[Jetjockey]

Flying an airplane is really easy and any bar tard with a credit card can go buy a license and get a job...

It wasn't always that way but with advances in technology that's just how it is. Lots of careers have gone by the way side, flying is one of them.

Live on less because you like sitting in an airplane or learn how to do something challenging!

Advances in technology will never replace an experienced pilot. Try to dumb it down as much as you want. Sure, maybe the physical manipulation of the aircraft has gotten easier. Airspace is more complex than ever. Regulations and rules are constantly being changed and added. Aircraft systems are more complex.

I've noticed over the years, that while a pilot may be a good "stick" his knowledge, situational awareness, ability to plan ahead, company procedural compliance just plain suck. So there is WAY more than physically flying the machine. It takes dedication to be a truly good pilot, not just an aircraft manipulator. Ask yourself what kind of pilot you really are.

 

[CX880]

Their going to have to raise pay and benefits. The reason not many are getting their commercial licenses is because they see the disgruntled mainline guys that want to put a gun in their mouth. A 777 is a little less shiny when you're getting paid as much a a city bus driver.

 

[Jetjockey]

I think city bus drivers make more than most pilots, especially at the regional level. Anyone else think there is something wrong with this picture???

“Source: WTMJ

MILWAUKEE CITY BUS DRIVERS (salary only):
>>
>>
>> 136 Drivers made more than $70,000
>> 54 Drivers made more than $80,000
>> 18 Drivers made more than $90,000
>> 8 Drivers made more than $100,000
>> Top Driver made $117,000
>> (Source WTMJ)”

 

[wt219200]

Flying an airplane is really easy and any bar tard with a credit card can go buy a license and get a job...

It wasn't always that way but with advances in technology that's just how it is. Lots of careers have gone by the way side, flying is one of them.

Live on less because you like sitting in an airplane or learn how to do something challenging!

Have you flown single pilot 135 in crap weather? It's not all that easy.