Furloughees not Welcome?

[HA25]

Re: furloughees

Dear YKW,

You said:

"Let's say I am an employer: JetBlue, AirTran, ATA, Alaska, Atlas, Polar etc... Why would I hire a furloughed UAL/UsAir pilot before a furloughed Vanguard Pilot (for example)?
The Vanguard Pilot may have comparable jet experience, views the job as a step up and is happy to be here. The United/UsAir furloughee (most likely) will feel slighted, as if he/she is doing something beneath him or her, and will be waiting to get back to their previous employer (God willing)."

As a U furloughee with 15 years juniority there, you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. I have no illusion of returning to what's left of USAirways and (like most other furloughees) would rather work for a quality firm with a business plan for the future (and some semblence of retirement, 401k,etc., which U will not have shortly). I don't feel "slighted", but rather fortunate for the quality experience I gained and can now provide to another company. Working for JetBlue or SW is defintely not "beneath" any of us (I would personally consider it honorable work and a privledge to perform), and to say so speaks volumes to the ignorance one has to the views shared by those furloughed from a "major" airline.

dl

your profile shows ratings in 737 and Airbus.
Were you a U Captain??

 

[KDA or DEATH]

Point Taken...

...but poorly delivered.

dlredline,

As to my "..ignorance one has to the views shared by those furloughed from a "major" airline."..Let me say the following:

I am VERY familiar with the views of a "Major Airline Pilot", having been one for a "couple" of years and currently maintaining my position as a Senior Captain at same.

I have seen the Pilot fallout from Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, Midway etc..... SOME of them (NOT ALL), have a bitter outlook on the industry and have expressed their desire to return to the "good old days" and still lament the damages perpetrated against them by ALPA, Airline Management etc.

There is nothing wrong with that, it is human nature to mourn the loss of good things while trying to move forward. You Sir, seem to have a better than usual disposition as regards your circumstance and that is commendable.

I am fully aware that you will never be returning to UsAirways as I have a friend there who seems to be in the same boat as yourself (14-15 year FO (?)), so I am fairly aware of your current situation.

I maintain what I previously stated, however. That SOME employers may have a mindset towards taking people who have been in a higher or better position on the "food chain".( For all the reasons previously stated in my original post.)

Glad to know that you do not fit that profile, and therefore," good luck" to you.

One word of caution though, don't start conversations by calling people ignorant or otherwise.

I am fully cognizant of the plight of the "Major Airline Pilot". Yet in your post, by calling me ignorant and assuming I was not "One of the chosen Few", you have proven my initial point:

That SOME furloughed Major Airline Pilots MIGHT carry with them a little chip on their shoulder. One that can generally be detected by an underlying ATTITUDE of superiority. An attitude which will easily be detected by most of the trained H.R. people at the "Major" ( and other) Airlines.

Again, Good Luck to you, and ALL who may be in the same boat.

We are all painfully aware that we could be walking the streets with you tomorrow....

YKW

 

[reepicheep]

"Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour."

16-year US Airways pilot, A320 F/O, 85k(reserve guarantee).

Now they're getting ready to kill our pension, and we still have guys saying "well, at least we still have jobs".

 

[HA25]

"Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour."

16-year US Airways pilot, A320 F/O, 85k(reserve guarantee).

Now they're getting ready to kill our pension, and we still have guys saying "well, at least we still have jobs".

ouch!

 

[blzr]

HEY REEPICHEEP...

How do you see MidAtlantic helping U.S.Airways? I just don't know why they are willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to start another Wholly Owned airline. The cost of starting MidAtlantic could certainly offset Mainlines' pension plan.. What do you .

 

[reepicheep]

Midatlantic was sold as a "soft landing" for mainline furloughees who were initially told that there would be 90k captain jobs waiting for them there. In reality the thing may never get off the ground; it was useful mainly to bait ALPA into more givebacks.

At long last, the pilot group seems to be waking up. The pension isse has made them see the light. A strike vote will probably be forthcoming.

 

[blzr]

Thanks for the reply reepicheep. Not what I expected to hear, but makes perfect sence. Fly safe..

......And when you speak of me.... Speak well....

Crash Davis.... Bull Durham

 

[dlredline]

Re: Re: furloughees

your profile shows ratings in 737 and Airbus.
Were you a U Captain??

Yup. Amazing, huh? Bottom blockholding Captain to furlough in 3 years.

 

[dlredline]

Re: Point Taken...

...but poorly delivered.

As to my "..ignorance one has to the views shared by those furloughed from a "major" airline."..Let me say the following:

I am VERY familiar with the views of a "Major Airline Pilot", having been one for a "couple" of years and currently maintaining my position as a Senior Captain at same......

One word of caution though, don't start conversations by calling people ignorant or otherwise."


YKW,

Since you are currently (and fortunately) very employed, my attempt was to address your apparent lack of perspective to the reality furloughees live with during this current job market (your profile here provided no insight to your background). My intent was to comment on your "view", and certainly not your capacities. The use of the word "ignorant" was perhaps not appropriate. If offense was taken, I do sincerely apologize for none was intended.

My comments were particularily directed toward what I perceived as a mis-informed generalization when you said:


"The United/UsAir furloughee (most likely) will feel slighted, as if he/she is doing something beneath him or her, and will be waiting to get back to their previous employer (God willing)."


I know personally every First Officer and Captain I have had the privledge to fly with does not remotely consider honorable work "beneath him or her". Such a comment certainly doesn't reflect the group of professionals I've had the pleasure to associate with these past 15 years at USAirways, so therein lies my sensitivity to your statement. I will continue to have the utmost respect and compassion not only for the U fuloughees, but for every displaced pilot searching to regain their career path. YKW, as a "major airline pilot", I have no doubt you share this same compassion. My prayer is that we all survive these terrible times. I am personally secure with my priorities, and I'm confident I'll land on my feet somehow.
I enjoy a constructive dialogue as well as the next person, if it's intent is secure in it's reference and founded upon a background of personal experience. YKW, I pledge to you that I'll watch my vocabulary even on issues I find sensitive if you'll agree to refrain from generalized statements of specific pilots groups.

Respectfully,

dl

 

[KDA or DEATH]

Roger That...

...No harm, no foul.

And I say again, sincerely: "Good luck to you" and ALL who are on the street...

Some of us may be more fortunate (lucky) than others, but these are certainly some nasty times for this Industry and I hope we all "weather the storm" and land on our collective feet.

Over and Out,

YKW