Furloughees not Welcome?

[fandango]

hiring of furloughees

I am an FO at ACA, did't hit 2nd year pay till april, and made just shy of 50K. I worked my but off trading, etc, and still had a decent number of days off. We are actively hiring, and have heard we don't ask you to give up your seniority number. Its a good company thats making a profit. Hard to argue with. I have met a few guys layed off from other carriers, and most have a great attitude. Some slipped through, and talk incessantly about how much better it was back at XYZ. They have there in house probs getting along like anywhere, but overall, I would recommend it,, if you feel you really need to stay in this godawful business!

 

[HA25]

Re: hiring of furloughees

I am an FO at ACA, did't hit 2nd year pay till april, and made just shy of 50K. I worked my but off trading, etc, and still had a decent number of days off. We are actively hiring, and have heard we don't ask you to give up your seniority number. Its a good company thats making a profit. Hard to argue with. I have met a few guys layed off from other carriers, and most have a great attitude. Some slipped through, and talk incessantly about how much better it was back at XYZ. They have there in house probs getting along like anywhere, but overall, I would recommend it,, if you feel you really need to stay in this godawful business!

$50K in year two as an FO??? Wow! I didn't make that as an ATR Captain!

 

[fandango]

money

Like I said. I worked my but off, live in domicile, pick stuff up and have a contract with lots of soft money.

 

[hogdriver00]

V70T5

Check your PM's

 

[CR7CAP]

ASA was hiring furloughees. I had 2 US Airways pilots, 2 UAL, and 1 Delta pilot in my class. None of them were required to give up their seniority numbers. Flying a CR200, -700 is not a bad gig until you get your recall letter. Although, I guess with the EMB-120 leaving I'm not quite sure how the hiring stands at this point.

 

[Caveman]

"Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour."

They already found out. America West FO's work for less than $80/hour and National pilots used to. Yeah I know they fly 75's, but the comparison is close enough to be legitimate.

 

[HA25]

"Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour."

They already found out. America West FO's work for less than $80/hour and National pilots used to. Yeah I know they fly 75's, but the comparison is close enough to be legitimate.

Amen to that bro..

That's why I'd like to see more ALPA involvement in issues like Freedumb airlines and the stigma that they are attaching to the pilots that will whore themselves out..

All be it, Amwest is not anywhere the same as Freedumb, as they are doing their best to improve their contract to their credit.

 

[flybrowntails]

BLZR you make a good and interesting point.

There are still many companies hiring, may not have UAL pay or schedule.

(sorry i can't agree with a national airline union)

 

[HA25]

BLZR
(sorry i can't agree with a national airline union)

Ok then, what do we do about $80/hr 767 Captains?

 

[dlredline]

furloughees

Dear YKW,

You said:

"Let's say I am an employer: JetBlue, AirTran, ATA, Alaska, Atlas, Polar etc... Why would I hire a furloughed UAL/UsAir pilot before a furloughed Vanguard Pilot (for example)?
The Vanguard Pilot may have comparable jet experience, views the job as a step up and is happy to be here. The United/UsAir furloughee (most likely) will feel slighted, as if he/she is doing something beneath him or her, and will be waiting to get back to their previous employer (God willing)."

As a U furloughee with 15 years juniority there, you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. I have no illusion of returning to what's left of USAirways and (like most other furloughees) would rather work for a quality firm with a business plan for the future (and some semblence of retirement, 401k,etc., which U will not have shortly). I don't feel "slighted", but rather fortunate for the quality experience I gained and can now provide to another company. Working for JetBlue or SW is defintely not "beneath" any of us (I would personally consider it honorable work and a privledge to perform), and to say so speaks volumes to the ignorance one has to the views shared by those furloughed from a "major" airline.

dl

 

[HA25]

Re: furloughees

Dear YKW,

You said:

"Let's say I am an employer: JetBlue, AirTran, ATA, Alaska, Atlas, Polar etc... Why would I hire a furloughed UAL/UsAir pilot before a furloughed Vanguard Pilot (for example)?
The Vanguard Pilot may have comparable jet experience, views the job as a step up and is happy to be here. The United/UsAir furloughee (most likely) will feel slighted, as if he/she is doing something beneath him or her, and will be waiting to get back to their previous employer (God willing)."

As a U furloughee with 15 years juniority there, you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. I have no illusion of returning to what's left of USAirways and (like most other furloughees) would rather work for a quality firm with a business plan for the future (and some semblence of retirement, 401k,etc., which U will not have shortly). I don't feel "slighted", but rather fortunate for the quality experience I gained and can now provide to another company. Working for JetBlue or SW is defintely not "beneath" any of us (I would personally consider it honorable work and a privledge to perform), and to say so speaks volumes to the ignorance one has to the views shared by those furloughed from a "major" airline.

dl

your profile shows ratings in 737 and Airbus.
Were you a U Captain??

 

[KDA or DEATH]

Point Taken...

...but poorly delivered.

dlredline,

As to my "..ignorance one has to the views shared by those furloughed from a "major" airline."..Let me say the following:

I am VERY familiar with the views of a "Major Airline Pilot", having been one for a "couple" of years and currently maintaining my position as a Senior Captain at same.

I have seen the Pilot fallout from Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, Midway etc..... SOME of them (NOT ALL), have a bitter outlook on the industry and have expressed their desire to return to the "good old days" and still lament the damages perpetrated against them by ALPA, Airline Management etc.

There is nothing wrong with that, it is human nature to mourn the loss of good things while trying to move forward. You Sir, seem to have a better than usual disposition as regards your circumstance and that is commendable.

I am fully aware that you will never be returning to UsAirways as I have a friend there who seems to be in the same boat as yourself (14-15 year FO (?)), so I am fairly aware of your current situation.

I maintain what I previously stated, however. That SOME employers may have a mindset towards taking people who have been in a higher or better position on the "food chain".( For all the reasons previously stated in my original post.)

Glad to know that you do not fit that profile, and therefore," good luck" to you.

One word of caution though, don't start conversations by calling people ignorant or otherwise.

I am fully cognizant of the plight of the "Major Airline Pilot". Yet in your post, by calling me ignorant and assuming I was not "One of the chosen Few", you have proven my initial point:

That SOME furloughed Major Airline Pilots MIGHT carry with them a little chip on their shoulder. One that can generally be detected by an underlying ATTITUDE of superiority. An attitude which will easily be detected by most of the trained H.R. people at the "Major" ( and other) Airlines.

Again, Good Luck to you, and ALL who may be in the same boat.

We are all painfully aware that we could be walking the streets with you tomorrow....

YKW

 

[reepicheep]

"Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour."

16-year US Airways pilot, A320 F/O, 85k(reserve guarantee).

Now they're getting ready to kill our pension, and we still have guys saying "well, at least we still have jobs".

 

[HA25]

"Management has seen the willingness of some people to fly for nothing, so don't be suprised when management finds out that there are pilots out there that will fly a 767 for $80/hour."

16-year US Airways pilot, A320 F/O, 85k(reserve guarantee).

Now they're getting ready to kill our pension, and we still have guys saying "well, at least we still have jobs".

ouch!

 

[blzr]

HEY REEPICHEEP...

How do you see MidAtlantic helping U.S.Airways? I just don't know why they are willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to start another Wholly Owned airline. The cost of starting MidAtlantic could certainly offset Mainlines' pension plan.. What do you .