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Furloughed mainline pilots entitled to left seat of their regional carriers?

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No double standards....if mainline are good enough to be thrown into the left seat of an RJ, then an RJ Captain is good enough to assume a possition on a mainline seniority list.

Not quite true. Most regionals don't require a BA, my interview at PCL was a total joke, 20 minutes bs'ing with the CP. My interview at GIA was 30 minutes and consisted of 1 question, the rest was bs'ing.....and they don't require a degree. My interview at DAL was 2 days, written test, psych test, psych interview, physical and 3rd party background check.

You want a mainline job.......go through the process the rest of us did. In the meantime your job isn't in jeopardy unless the carrier you work for is wholly owned and has a flow up/down agreement already in place. Word is that the JPWA just signed with DAL/NWA has such an agreement with Compass/Mesaba...part of the price of working for a wholly owned. If you work there then you knew about it before you accepted the job, along with the possibility of flowing up....and the danger of flow downs. If you worked at Mesaba before this agreement was in place, then in all likely hood you are a career Mesaba driver and are so senior that any flowdowns will not affect you in any way, shape or form.
 
Not quite true. Most regionals don't require a BA, my interview at PCL was a total joke, 20 minutes bs'ing with the CP. My interview at GIA was 30 minutes and consisted of 1 question, the rest was bs'ing.....and they don't require a degree. My interview at DAL was 2 days, written test, psych test, psych interview, physical and 3rd party background check.

You want a mainline job.......go through the process the rest of us did. In the meantime your job isn't in jeopardy unless the carrier you work for is wholly owned and has a flow up/down agreement already in place. Word is that the JPWA just signed with DAL/NWA has such an agreement with Compass/Mesaba...part of the price of working for a wholly owned. If you work there then you knew about it before you accepted the job, along with the possibility of flowing up....and the danger of flow downs. If you worked at Mesaba before this agreement was in place, then in all likely hood you are a career Mesaba driver and are so senior that any flowdowns will not affect you in any way, shape or form.
I agree with your post for the most part but I can honestly say that my interview at CoEx in 2000 was far more difficult than my interview at CAL. I also interviewed at B6 in 04 and I thought their process was very thorough.
 
I never said anything like that.

I prefer UAL flies the E-190 and I know that 95% of the UAL pilot group feels the same way. I am not getting furloughed--but I want to see OUR pilots who might get furloughed NOT get outsourced. GET THE PICTURE?

I wasn't at UAL in 1995 when they voted on the RJ's--I was an Express guy at the time myself, and I ALWAYS felt that ANY jet should be flown by UAL pilots.- I still feel that way.

If Eastern and others hadn't started this mess with separate regional flying we wouldn't be having this debate today and I believe things would be better...But that isn't what happened....Mainline egos didn't want to fly Beech 99s, Metros, and Bandits...Pride goeth before the fall.....

If you get the E190s at your property then you can staff them the way you want....If the E190s come to our property....We will staff them the way we want.....Fair enough?
 
Not quite true. Most regionals don't require a BA, my interview at PCL was a total joke, 20 minutes bs'ing with the CP. My interview at GIA was 30 minutes and consisted of 1 question, the rest was bs'ing.....and they don't require a degree. My interview at DAL was 2 days, written test, psych test, psych interview, physical and 3rd party background check.

Here we go with the essence of why there will never be a single list....Mainline pilots think they are better....At least Andy is honest...

1. I have one of those fancy 4 year college degrees and it doesn't really mean squat....I had a hell of a good time...But it didn't make me a better pilot...College is way over rated....Fun but largely a waste of time and money....

2. Some of the best guys and pilots I know flunked the stupid Delta psych. test while other strange folks made it through....Hell General Lee proves that with every post..

3. So you're another GIA and PCL vet...just like PCL_128.....imagine that.....I'm amazed at what elitist snobs you guys can be coming from carriers that by your own admission don't require much....I know you're at Delta now...The best of the best:rolleyes:

andyd said:
You want a mainline job.......go through the process the rest of us did. In the meantime your job isn't in jeopardy unless the carrier you work for is wholly owned and has a flow up/down agreement already in place. Word is that the JPWA just signed with DAL/NWA has such an agreement with Compass/Mesaba...part of the price of working for a wholly owned. If you work there then you knew about it before you accepted the job, along with the possibility of flowing up....and the danger of flow downs. If you worked at Mesaba before this agreement was in place, then in all likely hood you are a career Mesaba driver and are so senior that any flowdowns will not affect you in any way, shape or form.

I don't want a "mainline" job....I have a good one now.....If furloughed mainline pilots want one of these peon regional jobs....They can apply and start over at the bottom again....If they have the superior attitude you have...I say don't hire them....

Save your flowthrough/flowback....we aren't interested....
 
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You want a mainline job.......go through the process the rest of us did.

On the Great Lakes thread, our friend Andy here explains the process he went through....

andyd said:
And YES I did go to GIA academy, paid for it and cut at least 2 years off the time it took me to get to a regional. ZERO regrets and no apologies. If it weren't for GIA I wouldn't be at Delta now. I'd highly recommend GIA to anyone considering a career change or fresh out of college. Not everyone is cut out to be a CFI nor should they be. I figure that the $24,000 I paid for GIA will have added easily $250,000 in career earnings and $400,000 in my 401K balance at retirement age. Why would I trade that for 2 years of students trying to kill me and get me violated working 6 days a week? Screw that.

That's the attitude we are dealing with here....
 
"What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too."
 
...your right....and if their greed and ego's hadn't gotten in the way it would be theirs today....

Yep, going from "that job's not good enough for my Squadron buddies" to "hey, I need your job for a while" isn't exactly progress for Trade Unionism in the airline industry, is it?
 
Yep, going from "that job's not good enough for my Squadron buddies" to "hey, I need your job for a while" isn't exactly progress for Trade Unionism in the airline industry, is it?

That's exactly right.....For the most part, mainline pilots don't care about each other....and they definately don't give a darn about lowly regional folks....However when they are out of work they do want their jobs.......
 
Hey Andyd,

The term "pay your dues in aviation" isn't meant to be a literal term.
 
On the Great Lakes thread, our friend Andy here explains the process he went through....

That's the attitude we are dealing with here....

Joe, I thought you'd be in support of such a go-getter, get-to-the-top, dog-eat-dog mentality? Isn't that what the American dream is founded on?
 

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