Frontier pilots in dispute with Union

[ex-nutjeter]

I get a huge chuckle every so often when I read the FAPA website and get in on the discussions. It seems that here at F9, the union is giving a rats behind about us commuters as usual, and there is now a huge fight over what we need in the next contract, the majority of the pilots want CASS and a commuter policy, while the Union sticks with their "this is a Denver Based Airline" crap, so the heat is on and I am enjoying the threads on the FAPA site. It seems that the Union and the company are too stupid to understand that a commuter policy is easy to set up and costs the company nothing, on the other hand they can continue to pay 2 pilots for the same trip, 1 being the pilot who called in sick, and the other pilot who will fly it, whereas if they would understand that if a pilot called in because he got stuck somewhere due to bad weather and his flight was cancelled, etc.. and couild not make it in, then he would just not be paid for what he missed and no loss of sick days or loss to pay him for a sick day, but the hard heads can stick to the notion of "This is a Denver based airline" mentality.

Maybe our new FAPA president will understand?

 

[AnimalTale]

I get a huge chuckle every so often when I read the FAPA website and get in on the discussions. It seems that here at F9, the union is giving a rats behind about us commuters as usual, and there is now a huge fight over what we need in the next contract, the majority of the pilots want CASS and a commuter policy, while the Union sticks with their "this is a Denver Based Airline" crap, so the heat is on and I am enjoying the threads on the FAPA site. It seems that the Union and the company are too stupid to understand that a commuter policy is easy to set up and costs the company nothing, on the other hand they can continue to pay 2 pilots for the same trip, 1 being the pilot who called in sick, and the other pilot who will fly it, whereas if they would understand that if a pilot called in because he got stuck somewhere due to bad weather and his flight was cancelled, etc.. and couild not make it in, then he would just not be paid for what he missed and no loss of sick days or loss to pay him for a sick day, but the hard heads can stick to the notion of "This is a Denver based airline" mentality.

Maybe our new FAPA president will understand?

Why do u care? Arent u leaving for the competition?

Even without a commutter policy, if u have some class and diplomacy u will do fine with skeds.

Cya

 

[SWA/FO]

Why air all this on flightinfo.com?

 

[AnimalTale]

I dont know, I QUESS he hates F9 and commutting. It is his choice.

SWA F/O----> I had a chat with Skippy. He says you are a GREAT guy

Cya

 

[yaks]

Why air all this on flightinfo.com?

So potential newbies will know that all is not champagne and caviar with F9 as some of the KA sippers would have you believe. (This is not the only thing, but rather an example).

 

[AnimalTale]

No good news from F9. Lost a pile of money last quarter with supposedly the second lowest non-fuel costs in the industry. Last word was no hiring til Dec. but I will be surprised if there is not a furlough. The train is coming but few people see the headlight bearing down on them. I hope I am wrong.

Yaks first of all nobody said it was Champagne and Cavier. But also, Yaks, I think you got it wrong with your past prediction quoted above (its not bad at all here at F9)! Yaks if u dont like F9, go work for HOME DEPOT until American calls u back.

Instead of being so negative, try Enjoying your job, dont complain so much. I too have been furloughed and I can tell u F9 is a GOOD airline. All the complainers need to pack their bags and leave. Why be miserable? Why torture yourself at F9?

I hope you are not that miserable here.

cya

 

[USMC319]

Why air all this on flightinfo.com?

SWA/FO,
Good point. Habitual complainers don't discriminate between the various forms of media, but I would think the FAPA board would be more appropriate.

AnimalTail,
I thought we got rid of all the 10%ers with poor attitudes. Appearantly not all of them. In any case the new hiring proccess will prevent this "type" from infiltrating the ranks going forward. FWIW, I am a commuter and have had no problems getting to work, however, I am pushing for CASS and a good Commuter Policy during the current contract negotiation.

 

[ex-nutjeter]

If you think that everyone with a gripe has a bad attitude, then you have problems yourself, just look at the FAPA site and look at what you would call bad attitude people with legitimate concerns where the FAPA boys are just sticking with their own agenda as to what the pilots want, not what we really want, I am happy for you that you commute and can get to work with no problems, I also commute and have been able to get to work with no problems, but as I mentioned in an example above, if you are on a flight, seated, and happy that you got onboard, and all of a sudden they say that the weather is too bad for the flight to depart, then what are you going to do? Will you be Mr. honest and take a missed show hit, or call in sick, I bet the later, anyways this would benefit all, even for someone who drives in from say COS, or where ever, and some of us have to make 2 flights to get in, what if you get to a hub, and you missed your connection because of weather? I have a direct flight, but many don't, I posted this info so that new hires can see what is going on right now, maybe I should cut and paste some of the battle from the FAPA site on here, that would be fun, at least here no one knows who I am if I post that stuff

As yaks mentioned, this is only one major problem, I received a letter that stated that my medical plan that I am enrolled in will be cancelled and I will be moved into the more expensive medical plan, thats nice to know, I was on the low end plan since I don't ever see a doctor, now I am forced into the high end expensive plan, what a joke, and of course, not much FAPA support over the issue, but plenty of debate

AS always, any negitive info about F9 has ANIMALTAIL and USMC319 to the rescue, is it that hard for you select few to let others hear the truth?

 

[pilotyip]

USA Jet trys to discourage pilots from being commuters, because they can not make as much money as local pilots. But the company is going to pay to get get into CASS. We would like our commuters to be able to continue working here.

 

[F9 Driver]

Doug-nutjetter, I'm for CASS and a commuter policy too. These things will benifit us all, but aren't TOP priority for our team I guess. It wasn't long ago that if you didn't live in Denver you didn't get the job.

Please get some perspective on this issue as we go thru our negotiations, and you choose to vent in public to "educate" potential new hires. We are negotiating our SECOND contract ever. We're a young airline and doing well for having been around for a only decade - and a tough one at that.

The job is in Denver. We didn't have a commuter policy when you were hired, and with your experience in the airline industry you shouldn't hang your hopes on what doesn't exist at the time you evaluate your choices. I'm sure you're sad to have left NJA now what with home basing and more money. But who knew?

 

[SWA/FO]

Thanks AnimalTail.....

USA Jet getting into CASS...now that is big, big news. I thought they would never do it? The Pilot's must be paying for it?, right?

 

[pilotyip]

SWA F/O you are a non-believer, company is paying for it.

 

[ricj41]

I start class next monday. I know that Frontier isn't champagne and caviar but it's a lot better then many other places and I am looking forward to it. To air this out on a public message board just makes you look petty. Not only that but the title is completely misleading. I thought this was going to be about a serious topic when I clicked on the link. CASS is important but to me it ranks way down on the list. And I will be commuting. I know that Frontier is a Denver based airline and always will be. The 2 guys who wrote me recs both live there. And of the 7 of us hired 4 live in Denver. See ya at the GO monday at 0800

 

[jetalc]

If you think that everyone with a gripe has a bad attitude, then you have problems yourself, just look at the FAPA site and look at what you would call bad attitude people with legitimate concerns where the FAPA boys are just sticking with their own agenda as to what the pilots want, not what we really want, I am happy for you that you commute and can get to work with no problems, I also commute and have been able to get to work with no problems, but as I mentioned in an example above, if you are on a flight, seated, and happy that you got onboard, and all of a sudden they say that the weather is too bad for the flight to depart, then what are you going to do? Will you be Mr. honest and take a missed show hit, or call in sick, I bet the later, anyways this would benefit all, even for someone who drives in from say COS, or where ever, and some of us have to make 2 flights to get in, what if you get to a hub, and you missed your connection because of weather? I have a direct flight, but many don't, I posted this info so that new hires can see what is going on right now, maybe I should cut and paste some of the battle from the FAPA site on here, that would be fun, at least here no one knows who I am if I post that stuff

As yaks mentioned, this is only one major problem, I received a letter that stated that my medical plan that I am enrolled in will be cancelled and I will be moved into the more expensive medical plan, thats nice to know, I was on the low end plan since I don't ever see a doctor, now I am forced into the high end expensive plan, what a joke, and of course, not much FAPA support over the issue, but plenty of debate

AS always, any negitive info about F9 has ANIMALTAIL and USMC319 to the rescue, is it that hard for you select few to let others hear the truth?

I also agree that this is something that belongs on the FAPA board - your angelic effort to "save the newhires" is...er...honorable? Whatever. Is it possible that you no longer have access to the FAPA board and still want to b!tch? There are always going to be issues, and if this is the worst thing you can come up with, it can't too terribly bad. I'm a commuter, and would like to see a commuter policy in effect, but the fact that there isn't really one doesn't prevent me from being grateful for the awesome company I work for.

 

[AnimalTale]

Dude,

Like I said, "if u dont like it"---->LEAVE. Stop your BitChing and moaning. Stop trying to get attention and more importantly stop running to this board like a COWARD.

If u have problems, do something about it. Dont just spew poison on a message board (FAPA/Flightinfo) and expect thing to get down. Sacrafice a day in your miserable life and attend a FAPA meeting and make a change happen.

Better yet let me nominate you as commutting chair!


Also for all you F9 hopefuls. You will see there will be a select handful (count them on 2 hands) that will complain about everything. (ie the Sheraton Suites in San Diego is aweful, or Crew meals are cold or the Airbus sucks) Just ignore them.

Cya

 

[USMC319]

I posted this info so that new hires can see what is going on right now, maybe I should cut and paste some of the battle from the FAPA site on here, that would be fun, at least here no one knows who I am if I post that stuff
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Now that exudes CLASS, Bravo, and benevolent too!

I can see why you want to use flightinfo.com to complain because the FAPA board is just the same handful of people bitching to each other. Where is the fun in that. I don't even go on the FAPA board anymore because it is so predictable and stale from the same group of 10%ers. If there was a chance of an original thought coming from there I may be intrigued.

 

[QRC]

Sorry to change the subject. Just curious, ricJ41, were you in the pool, previously called to interview last year, or newly called to interview this year? Thanks. hoping for a call soon.

I start class next monday. I know that Frontier isn't champagne and caviar but it's a lot better then many other places and I am looking forward to it. To air this out on a public message board just makes you look petty. Not only that but the title is completely misleading. I thought this was going to be about a serious topic when I clicked on the link. CASS is important but to me it ranks way down on the list. And I will be commuting. I know that Frontier is a Denver based airline and always will be. The 2 guys who wrote me recs both live there. And of the 7 of us hired 4 live in Denver. See ya at the GO monday at 0800

 

[Pilotbob3]

I start class next monday. I know that Frontier isn't champagne and caviar but it's a lot better then many other places and I am looking forward to it. To air this out on a public message board just makes you look petty. Not only that but the title is completely misleading. I thought this was going to be about a serious topic when I clicked on the link. CASS is important but to me it ranks way down on the list. And I will be commuting. I know that Frontier is a Denver based airline and always will be. The 2 guys who wrote me recs both live there. And of the 7 of us hired 4 live in Denver. See ya at the GO monday at 0800

CASS way down on your list as a commuter??? LOL tell us where it is on your "list" in about 6 months!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Why air all this on flightinfo.com?

Sure, come here and look at everybody else's dirty laundry without sharing your own? No way man!!!!!!

 

[M3pilot]

This may come as a little off topic, but I was just curious as to the current interviewing schedule. USMC319, AnimalTale, F9Driver - can you/will you share a little about the timeline? Specifically, I'm talking about the call for interview. I'm hopeful for an interview but not sure how much lead time they typically give the folks they are going to call. I'm not trying to be impatient, just have an idea so I can arrange time off with my employer, etc.

TIA,

M3

 

[F9 Driver]

I think it's about two weeks from call to interview, but RICJ41 can probably give a better estimate.

Good luck!

 

[M3pilot]

Thanks F9. I was reading a reply to a previous post. The original post made mention of losing money this quarter, furloughing, etc. Did I read wrong that F9 posted a $6.9M profit this quarter (compared to a $2.1M loss this quarter last year)? Maybe that post was from a long time ago or just speculation, but I'm pretty sure the airline made money. Good for them. Also, Frontier's not done much furloughing that I've seen in the past 4 years. I was particularly impressed with the way everyone stepped up and offered voluntary pay cuts to avoid that very situation. On top of that, weren't they paid back? Just the kind of place I want to be and the culture I want to be a part of!

I know there are a lot of bitter pilots out there and sometimes rightfully so, but to make it your mission to make your impressions someone else's is crossing the line. Sorry naysayers, you can't change my opinion. I'm going to keep chasing my dream job with F9 and make the best of my career, wherever it may lead. It's disappointing to see that some of said naysayers flew in the military. You'd think they'd appreciate the opportunity to actually make a difference somewhere instead of being a "number" at a "job".

Whether or not they hire me, I'll always be a HUGE F9 fan. They've taken care of me as a passenger - usually an indication of how they take care of their employees/each other. And no, it wasn't just management; my experience is based on how I've treated by the crew and ticket agents/baggage handlers, etc. Their happiness and contentment shows in the way they treat their customers. It's a choice, but somehow part of the culture. Good on 'em.

M3

 

[F9 Driver]

We did make money this Q, but expect to lose more than we made next Q This is due to the W/X damage to Cancun/Cosumel (sp?) and MSY more than anything.

Last time we furloughed was in the 90's and then only for a short time I think. Pilots voted to take a temporary pay cut after 9/11 rather than furlough anyone.

I'm sure happy here, and think most are. Things are getting better not worse, and this fact eludes some folks who focus only on their pet peve.

Seems to me that the more unhappy a person is the louder/more out spoken they become.

 

[Shrek]

Dude,

Like I said, "if u dont like it"---->LEAVE. Stop your BitChing and moaning. Stop trying to get attention and more importantly stop running to this board like a COWARD.

If u have problems, do something about it. Dont just spew poison on a message board (FAPA/Flightinfo) and expect thing to get down. Sacrafice a day in your miserable life and attend a FAPA meeting and make a change happen.

Better yet let me nominate you as commutting chair!


Also for all you F9 hopefuls. You will see there will be a select handful (count them on 2 hands) that will complain about everything. (ie the Sheraton Suites in San Diego is aweful, or Crew meals are cold or the Airbus sucks) Just ignore them.

Cya

Better yet.....all you 10% leave so I can get an interview. If you thought F9 was bad I can get you an interview at Trans States............LOL THEN you have something to complain about.......tool

 

[crashpad]

Well said M3, you're a great fit for F9. I hope it happens for you.

BTW, I don't think it's wise to post anything about F9 if you have inside info, nor to reveal even partial identities on this board. Those are my personal rules.

 

[jetalc]

BTW, I don't think it's wise to post anything about F9 if you have inside info, nor is it professional to reveal even partial idintities on this board. Those are my personal rules.

So, you don't think I should give Pete crap anymore for being angry that he was fired?

 

[M3pilot]

Well put. Can't wait to be living the dream.

M3

 

[F9 Driver]

BTW, I don't think it's wise to post anything about F9 if you have inside info, nor is it professional to reveal even partial idintities on this board. Those are my personal rules.

The company issued guidance to "the street" about our expected loss. Not "inside info."

As far as posting a partial identity... Letting ex-nutjetter know that he isn't going to act anonymously and with impunity may keep him from doing something else that could bring harm / negatively impact the Frontier pilot group or Frontier Airlines(without ratting him out to Corp Comm.) Just my personal rule. :beer:

 

[crashpad]

The company issued guidance to "the street" about our expected loss. Not "inside info."

As far as posting a partial identity... Letting ex-nutjetter know that he isn't going to act anonymously and with impunity may keep him from doing something else that could bring harm / negatively impact the Frontier pilot group or Frontier Airlines. Just my personal rule. :beer:

I wasn't referring to your thread about the lose (that's publically released), just my own opinion and fear someone will reveal my secret identity...how could I continue to speak for truth, justice and the American way.
F9 Driver is always professional.

 

[AnimalTale]

M3,

I posted a quote from last year posted by a negative person at F9. Yaks, was expecting furloughs, and loss of money. I just wanted to let him know to be positive. It is better than pessimism.

By the way, just cause we posted profit doesnt mean we are out of the woods. We will celebrate the profit. And as responsible employees we will do our best to continue to be diligent in our effort to create profits and hire people like you.

Cya

"NO BODY OWES YOU ANYTHING"